So they remove Confederate symbols at the Courthouse (to buy, legal)

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by L210

How is this destroying history? To compare this to the actions of ISIS is . ISIS has more in common with the hate groups protesting over the flag's removal in South Carolina.

So....if folks protest the rewriting of history, we're now part of a hate group......

Nice.

[L210]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

So....if folks protest the rewriting of history, we're now part of a hate group......

Nice.

What? Have you not been watching the news? There are actual hate groups protesting the removal of the flag in South Carolina. I think most people would agree that the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and other white supremacist groups are hate groups.

On the rewriting of history, removing the flag is not the rewriting of history. It's simply just removing the flag of a foreign country that didn't last long. Retroactively claiming that the flag is about southern heritage when a lot of states started putting it up in the 1960s is the rewriting of history. Denying what is written in the declarations of causes of secession of four states is the rewriting of history.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by L210

What? Have you not been watching the news? There are actual hate groups protesting the removal of the flag in South Carolina. I think most people would agree that the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and other white supremacist groups are hate groups.

On the rewriting of history, removing the flag is not the rewriting of history. It's simply just removing the flag of a foreign country that didn't last long. Retroactively claiming that the flag is about southern heritage when a lot of states started putting it up in the 1960s is the rewriting of history. Denying what is written in the declarations of causes of secession of four states is the rewriting of history.

You're sure using a broad brush. Because SOME are using it to gather around a "standard" while a vast majority aren't, you want to deny the rest their ability to appreciate their heritage. Neither my wife NOR my family's EVER owned slaves (nor would they), but we still fought for the South. You need to study history better, and better understand the root causes of the war.

The KKK also marches with US flags - should we ban those next?

[NCN]

Originally Posted by unintentionallyfunny

A flag that was never even used during the civil war and wasn't even used as the "Confederate" flag until many many years later, is now somehow super historical and super important.

Riiiight.

I don't agree with either side because I really don't care.

I'm not sure why people passionately care about a flag that retroactively represents a war that was fought in, which the south wanted to maintain slavery.

I'm also not sure why people are just now making a big stink about it and removing it and denying its existence.

It being removed and etched from history doesn't affect me one bit and I doubt it affect 99% of Americans outside of just wanting to be upset for the sake of it.

I am guessing you lost no ancestors in the war or you might have a little more sensitivity toward those who did.

FYI. Your post is not true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetty_Cary This flag was carried on the battle field. I personally have never owned one and do not care where it is stored but it is as much a part of American history as anything else that happened. Only a really ignorant person would ever call it a symbol of hate unless you hate the South. That seems to be O. K. and politically correct at the present time.

I don't think I would want to be a person calling the Confederate Flag a symbol of hate.

The meaning of the Confederate Flag: The red field represents the blood of Christ, The white border represents the Protection of God. The Blue "X" represents the Christian Cross of Saint Andrew, the first Disciple of Christ Jesus and the Patron Saint of Scotland. Thirteen stars represent the 13 Southern States of Secession. Thus the message in the Confederate Battle Flag is: "Through the Blood of Christ, with the Protection of God, We, the Thirteen States are united in our Christian fight for liberty." And we will never give up. Yes, we lost the war but we still believe in liberty.

If the United States keeps going in the corrupt direction it seems to be headed, a lot of you snubbing your noses at the South will be a thing of the past. Christian people who are against communism will be wanting to join us in our hope for liberty and freedom. Liberty would NEVER allow our nations history to be destroyed the way the radical hate groups are doing now. They are doing evil things and it will not prosper them. If they are allowed to keep doing the evil deeds this nation will be destroyed.

[KM1174]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

You're sure using a broad brush. Because SOME are using it to gather around a "standard" while a vast majority aren't, you want to deny the rest their ability to appreciate their heritage. Neither my wife NOR my family's EVER owned slaves (nor would they), but we still fought for the South. You need to study history better, and better understand the root causes of the war.

The KKK also marches with US flags - should we ban those next?

SOME? LOL. oh naive one, every white hate group, small and large, uses the confederate flag as a full or partial symbol of their order / group / sect / cult.

dont deny it. you cant cite anything to back up your 'vast majority' claim either.

face it. white hate groups have used it as a rallying symbol of hatred, thus it gets its reputation. if you have an issue with this, take it up with the hate groups using it.

[TexasRedneck]

And other groups use various flags to spread THEIR brand of hatred. I have friends from a broad spectrum of ethnic backgrounds - you're so busy hating on something you know nothing about that it's not even funny.

And by and large, the KKK has used the US flag......now what? And it's not up to me to challenge the hate groups (although I certainly have - face to face, have you?). I find there's nothing so vile as those that hate another for the color of their skin - period.

[verybadgnome]

No, the Confederacy and the issue of slavery cannot be separated. Their leaders wanted to see the institution spread. From the Confederate Constitution:


Article IV Section 3(3)The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several states; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form states to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress, and by the territorial government: and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories, shall have the right to take to such territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the states or territories of the Confederate states.


The growing popularity of Confederate symbols in the early 60s was a direct reaction to the civil rights movement, a symbolic means of resistance that was thankfully thwarted at Foster Auditorium, University of Alabama.

[GWhopper]

I never really cared one way or the other about the Confederate Flag (though I did love me some Dukes of Hazard, especially Daisy Duke), but upon thinking on it some more due to the current controversy, I feel that essentially the flag represented a rogue Republic that was the enemy of the United States at the time they seceded. We don't fly the flags of our other enemies like Japanese or Nazi or Vietnam flags on our federal or state buildings, so why fly anything associated with the Confederacy?

That being said, as individuals I don't think there should be any restriction on what flags we put on our houses or on our cars.

[EntropyGuardian]

I'm sure there are tons of germans whose ancestors fought in WW2 who never hated jews, who never killed any gyspies, who fought for their rights and national pride.

They also have the common sense not to fight for their right to fly swastika flags everywhere because they are totally ****ing retarded and realize that the vast majority of people would see them as backwards-ass racists.

My advice is to find something else to take pride in other than a war you lost 150 years ago. Take pride in the south's skyrocketing teen pregnancy rate, lack of civil infrastructure, or high illiteracy rate. Something you can point to with honor that won't make people think of the movie Deliverance or Mississippi Burning.

[Azure110]

Originally Posted by EntropyGuardian

My advice is to find something else to take pride in other than a war you lost 150 years ago. Take pride in the south's skyrocketing teen pregnancy rate, lack of civil infrastructure, or high illiteracy rate. Something you can point to with honor that won't make people think of the movie Deliverance or Mississippi Burning.

So we are turning this into a "bashing the southern pride" thread now? Awesome.