Coronavirus San Antonio (merged) (Post, Howe: attorneys, legal, title)

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by CamillaB

This is the mentality that gets people killed. It's the "I'm gonna do what I want" philosophy or the "I'm not responsible for anyone but me". I hear it all the time and that's really why we have so much suffering in the world. When one gives, others receive. When all give, all receive.

Done with the lecture? Feel all better and good about yourself now? That's wonderful. I'm all on board with the "social distancing", but the mask....95% of the time, I'm not in the presence of others. When I am, I are very careful to follow the distancing - because that DOES work. Too many medical professionals have confirmed that the masks have little real benefit - and can well be detrimental. I'm not "calling you out" if you choose to wear them - because that IS your choice. When you leave an area, do you carefully sanitize everything you've touched with alcohol? I do. So far, I've used almost a gallon of Everclear (the only high-enough alcohol-content fluid I've been able to reliably source so far), and have another gallon here at the shop. If I run out, I won't be doing service calls - because mask or not, contact transmission is by far the most potentially dangerous.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by Montirob

Yes, very sobering numbers.

The CDC estimated about 4800 deaths in NY last year due to flu.

For the Coronavirus, however, NY is fast approaching 25,000 deaths.

I have NO doubt the number of deaths are substantial. However, I'm going to withhold my belief on any early death rates, simple because from what I've seen, many deaths are being attributed to CV without any factual proof (which is very often the case in situations like this). Over time, those numbers will be revised - either up or down - and we can begin to have more confidence in their accuracy.

[WilGar]

Wonder if Nirenberg read this?


https://www.yahoo.com/news/gov-dewin...141049854.html

[Azure110]

I choose not to wear the masks unless the store or business I am entering requires it before going inside.

I am unsure if a private business has the right enforce customers to wear them before entering the building so I am choosing to avoid confrontation on that one for the time being.

As for the government rules, I am 100% in agreement that they can't make us wear them at least not until good rated ones are readily available at inexpensive pricing. Those cloth masks are terrible.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by Azure110

I choose not to wear the masks unless the store or business I am entering requires it before going inside.

I am unsure if a private business has the right enforce customers to wear them before entering the building so I am choosing to avoid confrontation on that one for the time being.

As for the government rules, I am 100% in agreement that they can't make us wear them at least not until good rated ones are readily available at inexpensive pricing. Those cloth masks are terrible.

Yes - they can require it because they're the property owner, just as they can say you can't carry your (legally carried) gun. I just do what I do when a "no-guns" sign - I go somewhere else that wants my business. However, to be fair to the business owner - the City of SA is leaning on them hard to require face masks since the state told the city they can't make it a requirement. I have several friends w/businesses in SA - they told the city to pound sand, and masks are at the discretion of the employee and their customers.

[The Man in SATX]

Originally Posted by CamillaB

This is the mentality that gets people killed. It's the "I'm gonna do what I want" philosophy or the "I'm not responsible for anyone but me". I hear it all the time and that's really why we have so much suffering in the world. When one gives, others receive. When all give, all receive. So in sacrificing your comfort and thinking of other people and how your actions can affect them, you're being Christian. Jesus told us to watch out for others, the Golden Rule. He said he need to take care of widows and orphans and the weak and vulnerable. We have a global pandemic and no one is safe, yet you insist on your "freedom" to "do yourself". Putting yourself above all others because your freedom is somehow more precious than everyone else's. It's not. We all value our freedom and we all use our heads and make logical, scientifically educated fact based decisions to protect ourselves and others and when it calls for everyone to work TOGETHER to make that happen, that's what should be done.

You don't live in a vacuum. You're not the only person in the world. If everyone thought like you, we would never have survived as a species.

If everyone who helps take care of you and support you and provides for you suddenly went off to "do them", you'd have nothing and no one. No groceries, no internet, no tv, no nothing. You rely on other people all the time. The least you could do is have some respect for what other people sacrifice and how you benefit from others's sacrifices.

No use in having freedom if you're in a hospital bed. That's not freedom.

Based on Previous posts from this one. I think you have the "Chicken Little" Syndrome. Although I don't disagree with what you say.. again, you or noone else has the authority to tell other people what to do. If you don't like the fact that someone isn't wearing a mask. Go around them. Problem solved. If they die as a result of contracting COVID-19 for not wearing a mask.. who does it affect? You or them? Give them their space and continue to do (As TexasRedneck put it) "you". You are only in control of yourself.

[The Man in SATX]

Originally Posted by WilGar

Wonder if Nirenberg read this?


https://www.yahoo.com/news/gov-dewin...141049854.html

Probably not. Apparently, we are now in a "Socialist" "Communist" Society where someone who is in charge tells the other minions what they "Can or Cannot do". I am waiting for the other shoe to drop and they start telling us that they will throw us in jail for not confirming to their will.


Mark this date on the calendar. It will happen!

[txbullsfan]

I do not understand why temporarily requiring people to wear masks in public places at this time in human history with Covid - 19 is such a problem for the minority (not the majority) of people. How this is such a detriment to this small groups perceived freedoms.

Some questions:

Can we think of any laws that the United States of America has that requires telling people what to do and that limits our "freedoms", or are we the wild west, free to rule ourselves and "I figure out what best for me" and "I do what I want"?

Is Covid-19 incredibly deadly (hint to at least one answer in the previous question: much worse then traffic fatalities)?

Is temporarily wearing a mask for a temporary period of time, if it is proving to save lives really that big of a deal?

Do any of these previous laws that limit our freedoms mean that we are a "socialist", "communist" country?

For those "freedom loving patriots" opposed to engaging in (at least some) practices that reasonably protect society, what personal harm does temporarily wearing a mask in public do to you personally?

Will you feel guilty if you found out you unknowingly had Covid-19, sneezed in a public place (without your mask on), tallied it up to allergies, only to find out is was Covid-19, you passed it on to others and now someone died from it?

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by txbullsfan

Will you feel guilty if you found out you unknowingly had Covid-19, sneezed in a public place (without your mask on), tallied it up to allergies, only to find out is was Covid-19, you passed it on to others and now someone died from it?

I've got news for you - if you sneeze in any of the masks available to the general public, you WILL be spreading it beyond that mask. 99% of the folks wearing the mask have NO training in how to properly wear it, much less handle it. Without a fit test/smoke test, there's simply not going to be real results.....but toss that mask on and look down at us "great unwashed".

[txbullsfan]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

I've got news for you - if you sneeze in any of the masks available to the general public, you WILL be spreading it beyond that mask. 99% of the folks wearing the mask have NO training in how to properly wear it, much less handle it. Without a fit test/smoke test, there's simply not going to be real results.....but toss that mask on and look down at us "great unwashed".

Reputable sources (such as the CDC and the FDA) state that masks do slow the spread of viruses, especially if those who have the flu, Covid-19, (insert communicable disease here) wear them. They should not be the only thing used but should be used in conjunction with other proper sanitary practices such as hand washing, maintaining proper distance etc. Basically, wearing a mask is much better then not wearing one when it comes to our (and others) impact on the general public. All of these practices utilized together is all about reducing suffering and death through reasonable means.

FDA's take regarding N95 masks:
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/...sks-face-masks
"N95 respirators and surgical masks (face masks) are examples of personal protective equipment that are used to protect the wearer from airborne particles and from liquid contaminating the face.

CDC's take on wearing masks to slow the spread:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html
"CDC also advises the use of simple cloth face coverings to slow the spread of the virus and help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others."

So no, if one sneezes in any of the masks available to the general public, they will NOT automatically be spreading it beyond that mask.

Also, making the claim that 99% of the people wearing the masks have no training how to wear it is an unsubstantiated claim. There is no hard data claiming this is either untrue or true. However, there are millions of healthcare workers, doctors, nurses etc. spread throughout each state that are properly trained. The CDC, media and other outlets have put out guidelines on how to properly wear masks. I have seen in my dealings with the public only one instance where someone was wearing a mask improperly.

Also, you also did not answer the question on if you (or any of the the rest of the small groups of people opposed to temporarily wearing masks) would feel guilty if it was "traced" back to the non mask wearer as the cause of someone's reasonably avoidable suffering and/or death by the non mask wearer refusing to take reasonable temporary precautions to have prevented such. Its a simple yes or no answer. In fact, you did not answer any of the questions I asked.