Nirenberg Wants Return to Mask Mandate-Abbott Says "Individual Responsibility" (Howe: versus, horse)

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by WVNomad

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

In all cases, getting vaccinated and boosted led to lower death rates vs. being unvaccinated, but in some countries the differences were more pronounced. I assume that reflects an inability to control for other factors….age, comorbidities, etc?

Unfortunately, it also has to do with the methodology of reporting, as well. There are known, documented issues with the "vaccine" (sorry, but under the traditional terms, it's NOT a vaccine and I'm not going to call it that just because they redefined it) causing inflammation f the heart itself...but it's not showing up anywhere on US reporting that I've seen. You have to therefore wonder what other detrimental effects are going unreported. This whole mess got politicized - and it shouldn't have been, but it was.

[WilGar]

With politics involved, we have no idea of the truths. We are split and the media is no help.

We know the J & J is the only effective vaccine against the Omicron. The other two were effective against the Delta, but are no barrier to Omicron. We are led to believe the severity is diminished, but who knows. Luckily, the Omicron is milder.

The next variant, and there will be one, might be as contagious as the Omicron, but as virulent as the Delta.

A virus will kill many-maybe, and who knows, the only survivors might be those who were unvaxed and survived.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by WilGar

A virus will kill many-maybe, and who knows, the only survivors might be those who were unvaxed and survived.

Historically, each generation weakens in terms of its' mortality. And you bring up an interesting side bar that's just now being talked about publicly by the "experts".....Herd Immunity. Long one of the most effective protections against disease, it was downplayed until many billions of dollars of "vaccine" were injected....

Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

[WilGar]

"Pure coincidence, I'm sure."

Just like the only approved theurapeutics are supplied by Big Pharma instead of cheap off the shelf drugs.

[WVNomad]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

Unfortunately, it also has to do with the methodology of reporting, as well. There are known, documented issues with the "vaccine" (sorry, but under the traditional terms, it's NOT a vaccine and I'm not going to call it that just because they redefined it) causing inflammation f the heart itself...but it's not showing up anywhere on US reporting that I've seen. You have to therefore wonder what other detrimental effects are going unreported. This whole mess got politicized - and it shouldn't have been, but it was.

In this case, the differences in methodology seem somewhat unlikely. There are just two states for inputs…vaccinated/boosted vs. not. And two results….dead or not. I’m sure mistakes get made…stuff gets miscoded, etc. but this seems like annexample where methodologies would be pretty consistent across countries.

[WVNomad]

Originally Posted by WilGar

"Pure coincidence, I'm sure."

Just like the only approved theurapeutics are supplied by Big Pharma instead of cheap off the shelf drugs.

So to be clear, you are dismissing the effectiveness of the vaccines? Or are you saying they work but there are cheaper alternatives? If it is the later, what evidence can you provide?

[WilGar]

Vaccines-
Effective for Delta
Probably lessens the severity of Omicron
Next mutation-who knows

Prevention
Zinc
Vitamin D
Vitamin C
Multivitamin that enhances immunity
Melatonin

Early Intervention

Currently no "approved" course of drugs.
Doctors that use effective but unapproved drugs are blackballed
Antivirals that have been developed are unavailable but no enacting of Defense Production Act to get them on shelves.
(is it purposeful or incompetance)? OR is the medical community better financially compensated with a COVID patient being in the hospital. Remember that a premium was paid to the hospital with a positive diagnosis.

Does this answer the question or was it too rambling?

[Azure110]

Originally Posted by WilGar

(is it purposeful or incompetance)? OR is the medical community better financially compensated with a COVID patient being in the hospital. Remember that a premium was paid to the hospital with a positive diagnosis.

Does this answer the question or was it too rambling?

You can't ask questions like this that make complete sense to ask. You might get called a stupid SOB, but it is not personal pal....just keep that in mind.

[WilGar]

Originally Posted by Azure110

You can't ask questions like this that make complete sense to ask. You might get called a stupid SOB, but it is not personal pal....just keep that in mind.

SOB, pal, humor not lost.

Been called worse since questioning why we were sacrificing our young men in a futile Viet Nam charade.

Talked with FACs (Forward Air Controllers) who could not call in airstrikes because of sensitive areas being used to stockpile supplies being off limits.

Talked with F-4 pilots who could not engage in a dogfight until shot at first.

Talked with B-52 pilots who bombed Hanoi, but were limited in ECM (Electronic Counter Measures) usage so the Russians would not know their capabilities. During a multi day campaign, they bombed at the same time, at the same altitude, flew in from the same direction and departed the same direction. By the third day , do you not think the Hanoi air defenses were waiting on them?

After declaring victory, the U.S. C-130s returned the POWs from the prison camps. Where were they returned? Do you think to Mongolia and make them walk back? NO! The VC and NVA generals were permitted to declare where the POWs were captured and then were returned to that same location. A few thousand here, a few thousand there. All strategically returned to surround Saigon. Saved them the walk. Even stupid Captains saw through this folly.

The above tactic is being used today. Legions of illegal, single males are being deposited throughout the United States. Destinations? Delaware, Washington, Michigan? No- Miami, Atlanta, Houston. All red states.

50 years later same crooks, same twisted policies.

[WVNomad]

Originally Posted by WilGar

Vaccines-
Effective for Delta
Probably lessens the severity of Omicron
Next mutation-who knows

Prevention
Zinc
Vitamin D
Vitamin C
Multivitamin that enhances immunity
Melatonin

Early Intervention

Currently no "approved" course of drugs.
Doctors that use effective but unapproved drugs are blackballed
Antivirals that have been developed are unavailable but no enacting of Defense Production Act to get them on shelves.
(is it purposeful or incompetance)? OR is the medical community better financially compensated with a COVID patient being in the hospital. Remember that a premium was paid to the hospital with a positive diagnosis.

Does this answer the question or was it too rambling?

Providing a list of vitamins and minerals is hardly evidence of effectiveness….it is just a list. You’ve motioned multiple times that the hospitals and pharmaceutical companies are all in some sort of conspiracy surrounding Covid. You can make the claim, but a claim is not evidence.

It was sort of rambling.