06-18-2008, 09:12 AM
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Dim - I tell you, they all nickel and dime you on the silliest things. That's why the spreadsheet helps! I kind of like spreadsheets too
Actually, the cakes were something we spent $$$ on (from Metropolitan - now closed - oh lord those were heaven!), so NOT having a cake cutting fee mattered.
dmarie - I'll send you the spreadsheet tonight. I looked at the Black Swan's menu options, and except for the cheapest option, that was significantly more than we paid pp. Granted, prices will have changed in 4 years, but I do recall looking at the Black Swan at the time and nixing it due to higher prices, though it wasn't on my final 5 list.
I had the same thoughts as you - I at first shied away from any of these 'fancy' places, then I looked more closely....
Also consider non-traditional places like art galleries. Many have excellent wide open spaces and are quite a cool setting. The $$ can add up as everything is individual, but if you have connections for some things, could save a bundle. We looked at a couple, but didn't go that route because we had so many kids present it just wasn't a practical setting (that, and you can't guarantee what art will be on display at the time). The Joan Groana Gallery at Blue Star is a perfect space for about 75 people in a cocktail sort of setting.
It may or may not work out to be cheaper, but at least you will have made an informed decision. There were things we did that others may not which made a difference - like we wanted 'imported' beer (can you believe Shiner is considered imported?!!!). The difference between some places was more than $100 per keg, with the fancier places offering it at less. Also, if alcohol is served some places require security, which is another $50-100 per guard. The 'fancier' places tend not to, as that's all in. Another issue we considered was that though we wanted to provide an 'open' bar, we couldn't afford a full bar, so it was limited to beer, wine and margaritas. However that we were 10 steps away from the hotel bar meant guests who wanted something else were able to walk over and buy it themselves. It was a good compromise.
Other things we did to save money were to use vendors who were just starting out in the business and willing to do things free or at a reduced rate for the advertisement/portfolios. This is of course a risk, but it worked out fabulously for us. It helped that we were pretty flexible about most things. We also made our own invitations, among other things.
In the end we didn't pick the cheapest option, but the one within our budget that worked well for a variety of reasons. Not bare bones but certainly nowhere near the average for a 'typical' wedding in San Antonio. In the end, our locale could not have been more perfect for the guests we had, despite some of the issues we had. They just LOVED the historical aspect and the location.
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06-18-2008, 09:22 AM
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Wow, Chaka. I'd never heard of something like a cake cutting fee. Not that it surprises me--weddings and babies are two of the biggest rackets out there. I sure picked the wrong career!! Should have been a wedding planner and/or a baby shower planner.
--Dim
06-18-2008, 09:32 AM
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Wow, Chaka. I'd never heard of something like a cake cutting fee. Not that it surprises me--weddings and babies are two of the biggest rackets out there. I sure picked the wrong career!! Should have been a wedding planner and/or a baby shower planner.
--Dim
Having just had a baby, I hear ya on that! trick is to recognize you don't NEED everything they tell you are must haves. Babies actually need very very little. Or maybe my kid is just deprived?
06-18-2008, 10:15 AM
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Dim,
I think it is ridiculous as well, but cake cutting fees are standard. $50-$250 are the usual in the 100 websites I've looked at. I guess it's to pay the staff member's salary for 5 minutes and the water to was the forks.
06-18-2008, 10:22 AM
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Or maybe my kid is just deprived?
I hate to say it, but yes, your kid is being starved of all the things a growing child needs. I mean, I would have been a much better person if I had been pushed around in a $500+ stroller, strapped into a $400+ car seat, and then watched a purple dinosaur or two children speaking Spanish prance around on the 27" LCD hanging from the ceiling of the $50k+ minivan.
It amazes me what we've spent on such things for our two little ones over the past 4 years...
--Dim
06-18-2008, 10:25 AM
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Dim,
I think it is ridiculous as well, but cake cutting fees are standard. $50-$250 are the usual in the 100 websites I've looked at. I guess it's to pay the staff member's salary for 5 minutes and the water to was the forks.
Perhaps you're right, dmarie. However, a couple hundred dollars for such little time and water strikes me as a complete rip-off. But, as wedding magazines prove, many (not all) women will go to great lengths for that "perfect event," even if the costs make no sense to a person with a clear head...
Just my male-oriented two cents...
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06-18-2008, 12:46 PM
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I'll second the comment about checking out the knot...my wife spent a lot of time on the forums there and got a lot of help/advice about vendors when we were looking. We asked my aunts to cut the cake for us, and it worked out just fine.
And the rooms...shop around. You can get some really good deals. I think that's probably the biggest thing. Most of my family made it down from the midwest for our wedding because it was easy to get here and inexpensive to stay.
06-18-2008, 02:15 PM
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Have you thought of maybe The Vineyards out in Gardenridge? I got married and had my reception there 2 years ago and just cannot say enough good things about them. They were so professional and I got rave reviews from all my guest about how much they loved the location, food and how well everything flowed and was put together. They can also help you get a DJ and flowers and handle all of that for you on the day of the event. I had lots of out of town guest too but I got discounted group rates at the Hampton Inn on 35 and 3009 so it worked out well.
Again, I just loved my wedding there and just had to let you know that. I HIGHLY recommend them for any occassion.
06-18-2008, 02:56 PM
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My head is going to explode! Little white chapel in vegas here we come! Just kidding. Thanks everyone... I'm going to go check out those sites! I have some many other things to spend my money on!
06-18-2008, 03:05 PM
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My head is going to explode! Little white chapel in vegas here we come! Just kidding. Thanks everyone... I'm going to go check out those sites! I have some many other things to spend my money on!
haha! That's the joy of wedding planning!
Try to think of it as a fun process, checking out places in SA you've never seen before
I second The Vineyards. We went to a wedding there (ceremony and reception) in the autumn and it was just lovely! There are many wonderful locations throughout SA. Just depends on what you want/need. There was one place Mr Chaka nixed just 'cause he didn't like the way the catering agent acted towards him (ignored him completely) and to me, that's a good enough reason to weed out a place. I nixed a couple because I didn't like how the agent worked either...
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People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)