07-25-2008, 12:38 PM
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Hello ,TexHwyMan
Do you recall when they took down our giant Butter Krust sign by the Stockyards?
07-28-2008, 02:15 PM
Location: San Antonio
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Hello ,TexHwyMan
Do you recall when they took down our giant Butter Krust sign by the Stockyards?
Wow, I had completely forgotten about that. No, I can't remember when that happened. Or the one on San Pedro at Hildebrand.
07-28-2008, 02:22 PM
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Wow, I had completely forgotten about that. No, I can't remember when that happened. Or the one on San Pedro at Hildebrand.
Must have been mid or late 70's. I remember even in childhood days going north on I-35 just past Hwy.90 cloverleaf seeing the " Corral Motel " sign always lit up at night. That was on the Nogalitos overpass.
You the Man!
12-01-2008, 12:38 PM
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Nope.
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In 1970 the population was about 750,000 and Jefferson High School was still one of the best high schools in San Antonio. I believe Northside School District still had one high school, Northside High School. But things were about to change. There was a major purge at Jefferson forcing about 1/2 the teachers to move or retire. And Northside was beginning to get more population. Everntually NISD became the district with about 8 high schools and building schools every year while population trends changed forcing SAISD to start closing schools in recent years due to a lack of resources.
I went to high school and graduated in 1961. At that time Jeff was the best followed by Alamo Heights, Robert E. Lee.
I could really tell you more about the early 60's because I moved to Austin in 1963 and later to Houston in 1968. I returned to San Antonio in 1976 and lived here until 1999. I moved to St. Louis in 1999 and returned to the area in 2006. I now live in Seguin.
Moderator cut: derogatory comment Holmes and Marshall and John Jay were already open.
The new northside stadium was already under construction and the district pool was already open at the same location, culebra and 410 loop.
Times were much better back then, less troubled of course.
Moderator cut: personal attack
Jefferson was not even close to being the best school, the best schools were of course -where the money was.
Til' the Edgewood suit.
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12-02-2008, 11:34 AM
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I was born and raised in SA. In 1970 I was 7. Went to Maverick Elem. Good school. Shopped at Solo Serve, North Star Mall and Wonderland (now Crossroads. Ate at Jims, Hungry Farmer (Closed) and Qunicy's downtown (Closed). The riverwalk was just a river. Couple of places to eat. Not like it is now. Miss SA and go back once a year.
12-02-2008, 12:25 PM
Location: San Antonio
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I don't know of one book that would target that time period. But I know a LOT of resources that would provide you with enough references, photos, maps and articles to write one. Hint: these are not in one place. Took me 10 years to find what I have, and I'm still hunting! My favorite hobby....
I just got into this hobby over a year ago and wCat is right, there is no one good source. You have to find bits and pieces of this stuff by looking every where. Used book stores and libraries are a good start. There are more than a few gems on the internet, but it's hard to find them. All in all it does take a lot of time and $$$. The early 1970's has proven a particualarly tough era for me to get actual photographs of favorite places. What I've found I've posted on Gone But Not Forgotten. I'm always hunting for more. Just this past holiday weekend I spent Saturday hitting used bookstores on Broadway and downtown looking for old maps of the city.
Of course, if you're married, your wife will first think of you as a crazy person for awhile until phase II, where they just roll their eyes at you.
And if you are like Primo and me who sometimes like to out on "Field Excursions" (we call them "psycho nut job incursions") to some of these forgotten places, get used to hearing the phrase "I'm not bailing you out of jail!" when you leave the house. Not that we ever go anywhere.....questionable.
01-20-2011, 09:41 PM
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Reposting on this thread with permission from a mod since the other two threads were closed due to the OPs (I believe those were the reasons).
Blockbusting is one of the reasons the city began to change before the 1970's but the pattern that began then continued into the 1970's and well after.
Jefferson and Harlandale, for example, were newer areas in the 1930's. The subdivisions there had restrictive covenants where houses could not be sold or rented to those not of the "Caucasian race."
Anglos and Mexicans in the making of Texas, 1836-1986 by David Montejano pg 265 (or search these terms in Google Books: Jefferson Harlandale covenants)
It was after WW2 when these covenants were lifted by real estate agents who would sell one house to a minority and then tell everyone else on the block that it was going to be desegregated, go into decline, and so before the value of the home would drop it would be best to sell and move to a newer subdivision.
This allowed real estate agents to not only sell newer homes in the suburbs but also resell the older homes at high prices to minorities. More profits.
This was nationally covered in an issue of the Saturday Evening Post in July of 1962 in an article entitled "Confessions of a Block-Buster."
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Confessions of a Block-Buster - Norris Vitchek is a Chicago real-estate agent who moves Negro families into all-white blocks - he reveals how he reaps enormous profits from racial prejudice
The Saturday Evening Post, July 14 - July 21, 1962 *DE GAULLE VS RAINIER / WARREN BEATTY / SANDY KOUFAX*
Of course in time with the emergence of "black flight", that is middle class and professional blacks wanting to move away from the inner-city, the suburbs are now integrated. In San Antonio itself the concept of black flight took a different form with respect to our own ethnic composition. This all only leaves us with the problem of decaying inner cores in the city and vehicular dependent suburbs and all the problems both bring.
Here in San Antonio by the 1970's many of the older subdivisions, which were once the new subdivisions, began to become part of the inner-city themselves. This in turn led to newer developments farther out. In part this is still occurring but without the racial issues of yesteryear but because of socioeconomic factors. As when the Victoria Courts were closed down and they moved many of those residents throughout the city into apartments when HUD started leasing apartment units for the first time.
Long ago Highland Park was one of the old money areas in the city before many of the residents relocated to Alamo Heights. My own parents moved into the Highland Park area in the mid-70's, right when others said it started going downhill, or was that in the 60's? The house itself was built in 1945 so it was one of the newer areas of Highland Park just north of Fair Ave, in fact I never really considered it Highland Park.
There were still quite a few white homeowners but by the mid-80's that had changed leaving just a few. Connell Middle School in the mid-80's was mainly Mexican-American while Rogers Middle School (Highland Hills and Pecan Valley areas) was known as the "white school". My mother moved into that area so I transferred. By the mid-90's that had changed and today there are many Mexican immigrants in the Highland Hills area.
Some of the older families are still around in very few numbers and by now I am starting to feel like one of the old families (not the oldest) too since I have seen so much change. Not sure if I would want to live in the home I grew up in but nearby is good enough to keep me grounded even if most of my family has moved to the far, far NW side. It certainly is not as safe as it was in the 1970's and early 80's but maybe a bit safer than it was in the 90's which was a terrible time for many parts of the city.
Quite fascinating to see the many changes within our cities history and I wonder how much growth and changing demographic we will see in the next forty years?
There are links to two census tract maps of San Antonio, one from 1970 and another from 1980, on another post. (
link )
There is an even bigger census tract map for our city in 1970 which displays low-income neighborhoods but by default shows the middle and upper-class neighborhoods as well but without differentiating between those. I grew up in tract 1407 starting in the mid-1970's. The map can be found on page 11 in the following link below.
San Antonio, Texas (Part) 1970 Low-Income Neighborhoods
If you find any tract number listed above you can cross-reference it on the following map to even gather more data starting on page 11 and ending on page 158.
San Antonio, Texas 1970 Census Tracts
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01-21-2011, 10:45 AM
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In 1970 the population was about 750,000 and Jefferson High School was still one of the best high schools in San Antonio. I believe Northside School District still had one high school, Northside High School. But things were about to change. There was a major purge at Jefferson forcing about 1/2 the teachers to move or retire. And Northside was beginning to get more population. Everntually NISD became the district with about 8 high schools and building schools every year while population trends changed forcing SAISD to start closing schools in recent years due to a lack of resources.
I went to high school and graduated in 1961. At that time Jeff was the best followed by Alamo Heights, Robert E. Lee.
I could really tell you more about the early 60's because I moved to Austin in 1963 and later to Houston in 1968. I returned to San Antonio in 1976 and lived here until 1999. I moved to St. Louis in 1999 and returned to the area in 2006. I now live in Seguin.
I've wondered how the displaced residents of the Hemisfair area (downtown) felt when they were told to vacate their homes? did the City buy them out? force them to leave? was there an outcry from these people? did they just passively go along with it?
01-21-2011, 10:53 AM
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That is a very good question. You made the same inquiry in this thread here (
link ) and a couple of partial answers were given but hopefully a few more posters who were already born then can offer additional first hand accounts or information.
01-21-2011, 12:09 PM
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The city with either federal help and money(or both) purchased the homes and businesses through eminent domain process. So, they were forced to sell. Some were glad to sell, others were not. Some buildiings were kept, but most were razed.
Same thing happened when they built IH37/281 and IH10/90 through those areas. Same thing happened when they expanded Brackenridge(Wheatley) High school in the late 60's.
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Most Common Occupations - Health technologists and technicians (%)
Most Common Occupations - Service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)