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Old 03-12-2009, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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bingo. I've never been anywhere where the drivers drove with their emergency flashers on. I'm not positive, but I'm fairly certain that is illegal in all 50 states and how many times do the cops pull people over for that? never.. and that's probably because there is no revenue in it. Who cares if they're driving so slow that they're actually raising the chances of an accident.
BTW, I was born and raised in Michigan where the cops had so much more common sense. Everyone could be driving 85 and if you were the one doing the speed limit of 55, you were definitely getting pulled over before you hurt someone. Same applied to the fool going 95. Just go with the flow and everything is smooth. That's how you look out for the public's safety.
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:37 PM
 
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MMM et al....I guess you boys will be boys. We'll have to agree to disagree about the speeding issue. I'm not discounting other traffic violations as being important. The bottom line....whether we like it or not....we do have a system in place and should respect those laws. Until that changes and we "catch up" with our progressive Euro buddies, we have to be good little citizens and behave on the highways.

Back to the issue some of the posters here with the local law enforcement.... I haven't seen one person say they've taken the proper routes to address their own specific problems. Bad mouthing and sweeping generalizations of those protecting this city will only create discontent and negative feelings among those that do serve us well. I for one don't want morale to deteriorate because of a public lynching of those that put their lives on the line for us on a daily basis.
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Old 03-13-2009, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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You maybe missed my earlier posting about how I had an SAPD officer "escort" me half-way home after he lost a court case to me. You really think calling in on them is going to get results? If the result the caller is seeking is retaliation, then yes it will, but I have no faith that it will get the kind of results the majority of us are actually seeking.. zero faith in the police force is yet another result of the failure of leadership. I can see the trend, but I think I'm a minority again.
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:00 AM
 
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You maybe missed my earlier posting about how I had an SAPD officer "escort" me half-way home after he lost a court case to me. You really think calling in on them is going to get results? If the result the caller is seeking is retaliation, then yes it will, but I have no faith that it will get the kind of results the majority of us are actually seeking.. zero faith in the police force is yet another result of the failure of leadership. I can see the trend, but I think I'm a minority again.
RD...I think you're addressing me? I might partially agree with you that it possibly wouldn't make much difference, but IMO it's still a step that needs to be taken. Posting so much anger toward the SAPD in this VERY public forum isn't going to get results either. There is a process to fix any problem....but those first steps have to be taken regarding specific incidents and specific individuals.
If and when that doesn't work, then you proceed up the food chain. And if all those steps fail, and it's a situation that warrants outside scrutiny, the media is a powerful tool. But they will want specifics...documentation...people, places and incidents.

I'm not wearing rose colored glasses here....there are problems. But as in any organization, there are less than stellar individuals as part of the whole. What you (and others) are doing here is equivalent to what the media did to the military personnel after the Abu Ghraib nightmare. It's a public trial and lynching, and unjust to those who serve honorably and with the highest standards. All the other nitpicking is unimportant.
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:27 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Another key point about Europe, most police agencies are no longer pulling over speeders as with the installation of radar cameras, the vast majority of tickets being issued are done via GATSO (a Dutch firm which is the world's leading manufacturer of automated ticketing machines). It must be lucrative, as the latest Dutch systems cost between $60,000 and $100,000 apiece!

Allegedly, the Dutch police and Ministry of Transport are experimenting with traffic control systems where speed and accuracy of identification is critical. On the A-2 motorway between Amsterdam and Utrecht, they no longer just measure a car's speed with a single radar or laser speed camera. They use a connected network of cameras and detectors to identify cars at multiple places, so that the system is aware of the car's average speed over that stretch of road! They are claiming 99.7% accuracy with the system.

And the daily tax for driving in London is also being enforced via license plate-detecting cameras.

Speed cameras are so prevalent in Europe that you can download their positions into your GPS from some web sites. And those are only fixed sites (18000 of them, last I saw), the use of mobile radar cameras is very common, sometimes they are mounted on the back of a parked car and I have even seen them placed inside garbage cans on the side of the road in the Netherlands!

My point is that the Europeans have figured out there are better ways to enforce speed limits and better ways to utilize their police force. With our extremely understaffed police force (at least the SAPD, don't know about the BCSO but I would suspect it would be as well), one would think that they would find such ways to better utilize the small force then to send them out to write speeding tickets. Plus, as we all know, it is not the speeding that is causing all the traffic problems around here, it is the undisciplined drivers; but rarely do you see anyone being ticketed for that.

Oh, and I have nothing against the SAPD or BCSO, I've had a couple less-than-positive encounters with their officers but for the most part my experiences have been pretty good in the sense that they were professional and courteous (as was I).

Also, the news report on speeding police officers in SA will be on Channel 4 (WOAI) Monday evening at 10:00.

Cheers! M2
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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I personally think the forum method can be more effective. I have seen quite a few topics in the local media a couple days after we brought them up and I know for a fact that at least a couple of the local media personalities read through here..
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:38 AM
 
Location: 78108
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What you (and others) are doing here is equivalent to what the media did to the military personnel after the Abu Ghraib nightmare. It's a public trial and lynching, and unjust to those who serve honorably and with the highest standards. All the other nitpicking is unimportant.
Not EVEN close.
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Old 03-13-2009, 09:51 AM
 
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Not EVEN close.
not even close in what sense? If you're referring to the severity of the situation, I might agree....but that's missing my specific point. I'm referring to casting a bad light on each group as a whole. Both RD and MMM are military...and I would guess they cringed when that story broke......just as they must cringe at the bad behavior of any military personnel. RD even spoke of the military being trained to be 'ambassadors' to our country....and should act as such. The same would apply to the police force in our city and county. The ones that don't, should be singled out.....but NOT the entire police force! Why is this a difficult concept for some here?

RD.....I you might be right about some of the media reading this forum....and from some of the topics here, I hate to think this is where they get their inspiration for stories. (editing to add....referring to some rants that are over the top) They want headlines....but a credible media source is also wanting to report "credible" news. And just FYI....I've been contacted by two reporters in the past regarding discussions that I've been involved in.
(not saying which ones)....so hopefully you and our concerned citizen might get a DM from someone that is interested in 'the truth". Good luck with all that. Just have dates, names and info to back up your claims.

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Old 03-13-2009, 10:26 AM
 
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Another key point about Europe, most police agencies are no longer pulling over speeders as with the installation of radar cameras, the vast majority of tickets being issued are done via GATSO (a Dutch firm which is the world's leading manufacturer of automated ticketing machines). It must be lucrative, as the latest Dutch systems cost between $60,000 and $100,000 apiece!
Really? So a 'big brother' system is better, and more lucrative?


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Allegedly.......,
I put on the brakes at any paragraph that starts with 'allegedly'....sozzy!


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My point is that the Europeans have figured out there are better ways.....
And also being one that has lived in Europe....it gets tiresome to read the ad nauseum comparisons to the 'Europeans'. I don't mind gleaning the good concepts out and trying to apply them to better our way of living.....but overall, there is a LOT about our way of life that could work for them as well.
But that's a topic that strays too far from this thread.....as well as the SA forum. I'm just sayin.....
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Old 03-13-2009, 10:45 AM
 
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RD.....I you might be right about some of the media reading this forum....and from some of the topics here, I hate to think this is where they get their inspiration for stories. (editing to add....referring to some rants that are over the top) They want headlines....but a credible media source is also wanting to report "credible" news. And just FYI....I've been contacted by two reporters in the past regarding discussions that I've been involved in.
(not saying which ones)....so hopefully you and our concerned citizen might get a DM from someone that is interested in 'the truth". Good luck with all that. Just have dates, names and info to back up your claims.
glad to know it's more common than i thought --- i have also been contacted about being interviewed about a thread i started ... it kind of creeped me out, not sure why, but i did not take the bait --- instead i directed her to a media relations person...
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