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Old 03-09-2009, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rd2007 View Post
that pay scale is misleading because it does not include overtime, which is VERY easy to come by according to a coworker of mine who is married to an SAPD officer.
It's Bexar county....
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Members have asked me privately about whether this topic is appropriate. There has already been a good suggestion posted...
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This isn't the place for the specifics, but it is a very good topic for general discussion.
That sentence nicely summarizes the moderator's view of posting the specifics. Discuss the issue all you like here, but leave names, photos, videos and insults out of it.
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Old 03-09-2009, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wCat View Post
Mark.....while attempting to analyze all the "posters" including myself, you missed a few things. The OP mentioned that the officer called backup to "the scene"...which indicates they were responding to a call. That IS a criminal investigation in progress and it is illegal to interfere. WE (including you and me) weren't there...so WE don't really know what happened...and you admit that by taking issue with part of the OP's comments. So do you agree with the OP or not?

I'm not sure what your purpose was in dissecting the comments and posters, but you basically agreed with what I said. Take the proper channels. I personally don't "love a cop"....silly statement unless you're dating or married to one. I respect them. Period. I also agreed that there are bad apples. What's the problem?
actually in post #5 the OP says that backup was called because of he/she...that there was nothing else going on...

and mark i just want to say thank you for analization of me and my husband because they happen to be spot on --- j/k --- but honestly my husband is a very good officer and he loves his job and he does it with the utmost respect and responsibility ... but then again, i am a little biased ...

with that being said i am very aware of the rights and wrongs that go on in all depts ... i hear about them quite a bit ... alot are seen as 'cop perks' that, unless you are in the biz, many will not understand or even agree with ... many of these 'perks' i personally do not agree with and it can become a very sore subject in our house, one that my husband and i have agreed to disagree on ...
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Old 03-09-2009, 02:17 PM
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You felt the need to flag him down? What if he was on his way to an emergency? Who are YOU to decide that he wasn't going anywhere important?

Yeah, there may be some cops out there that aren't acting like they should, but you should deal with problems like that by just taking down the plate and contacting IA. Don't flag a cop down to reprimand him. They save your butt in ways you don't even realize so to go with a holier than thou attitude because the guy was in a hurry is ridiculous and arrogant.

IA would be able to tell you if they were indeed in a hurry to a call or acting inappropriately. And for having your neighbors sign an affidavit, I doubt it. You would have mentioned that in your first post had it happened.

Have a little respect. If they had been on the way to YOUR home to stop an invasion, you probably would have gotten irritated if someone stopped them on the way.
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Old 03-09-2009, 02:23 PM
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sweet! I really like to hear that. My coworker that is married to an SAPD officer also has told me of conversations she has had with her husband, but it is usually him ripping on some of his coworkers for either being lazy, not caring, or taking advantage of some of the "perks" you mentioned.
I know there are plenty of good cops/deputies around here, but there is also an unacceptable number of bad ones. Technically, one bad one is too much, but the number here is way above that. There just seems to be a lot of corruption in the air around here and way too many people are too weak to resist it. Hopefully we don't start having drug wars on our turf here as well, but it could easily happen with this many bad apples around (especially at the top).

BTW, here's my record with the SAPD/BCSD
- Called BCSD non-emergency for a drunk that ran into my neighbors fence late at night. They responded quickly and handled it.
- Had BCSD come out to my house when my alarm system was new and I screwed up the alarm cancel. They were pretty nice considering I'm sure they get a LOT of those.
- Pulled over by Constable because he didn't like my driving, even though I was behind him the entire time. The guy was a total jerk and completely ruined my perception of constables.
- Pulled over by SAPD for speeding. The guy wasn't rude, but also wasn't friendly. It was like a robot, so I guess that's acceptable, but I would prefer a little small talk with my.....
- Pulled over by SAPD for unsafe lane change (didn't use a blinker). the guy completely lied and said I did 7 lane changes and there was only one. I admitted that one, but also pointed out that someone changed lanes right in front of me and I had to move quick. It was the last day of the month and he didn't care. He also almost hit me when he cut over 3 lanes on 151 trying to get to 410 (this was after the ticket). I took that one to court and won and he gave me an escort from the courthouse to almost 151 on 90.

that's it so far, but that should explain why I'm not really impressed by them.
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Old 03-09-2009, 02:23 PM
Location: 78108
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Sounds like Bexar County needs to do some PSA's about when you should flag them down and when you shouldn't. Or some basic info about when and why they use their lights and/or sirens. It would be god to know so we could stop the assumptions.
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Old 03-09-2009, 02:33 PM
Location: 78108
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I was driving through AH one day about two years ago. I stopped at a stop sign, then proceeded through. There was a cop (SAPD) parked on the other side of the street, at an angle. I drove by the car at a reduced speed (demonstrating caution). The car was not in my way so I didn't have to go around it. Apparently, the officer was trying to BLOCK the road with her car (it wasn't blocked in any way, mind you) so she hauled butt after me, stopped me, got out of her car and was screaming at me well before she got to my window. It was so obviously a misunderstanding (to me only) but I guess she assumed I was some deviant trying to get away with something. When she stopped screaming I asked, "Are you done?" She just stared at me, nostrils flared. I said, "Good. Well, this is obviously a misunderstanding since I wouldn't flagrantly drive by you at a reduced speed if I knew the street was supposed to be blocked. Check my record, I have no tickets. I'm not trying to get away with something." She disappeared, then reappeared with a ticket for failure to something... something about a barrier I think. Anyway, she was extremely rude and condescending, and I thought it was ridiculous that she was screaming at me from 10 feet away. That's my SAPD experience
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Old 03-09-2009, 02:34 PM
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RD --- i can say one of the perks my husband will NOT do, ever, is badge people at restaraunts to get free food ---

when he goes to eat in uniform, that is one thing, he cannot help being in uniform while on duty --- but when we as a family go out he refuses to pull out the badge for a reduced or free meal...
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Old 03-09-2009, 09:30 PM
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I think I need to set the record straight here.

A few of you have suggested that I have fabricated the part that they stopped at my neighbor's house to have them sign an affidavit. One thing I could have expanded on is that they actually were originally called to that neighbor's house for domestic reasons, and had left there when they sped by my house, turned around in the cul de sac, and I flagged them down. After the two extra officers that came to back up the officer I flagged down left my house, they also took off and turned around in the cul de sac, and stopped at the neighbors house before leaving the subdivision. It was my neighbor who told me that they asked her and her husband to sign an affidavit, and they refused.

Do not misinterpret my omission of this detail in my original post as this fact being a fabrication. To be entirely clear, I actually typed and retyped that original post several times before making the post. I deleted a lot of details that I thought might confuse the issue. I am not a professional writer and in the heat of the moment I obviously omitted some things that were important, with no intent to deceive or mislead.

One other point that is important, is that the purpose of this thread was not to start a "cop bashing" thread or to "whine" about an officer speeding in my neighborhood. If he had just sped through the neighborhood I never would have spent the time this thread has consumed so far. The problem I have is with the threatening nature the officers exhibited. Their tone, the fact that they forced me to stand outside, and the fact the senior responding sergent lied when he told me he would arrest me. I am tired of these bullies that hide behind their badge seem to think they can do what they want. It appears that I am not alone in this frustration.

And in response to one of the above posts, this is NOT about a single officer. There were THREE. If the other two responded and did not continue the aggressive intimidation techniques that were started by the first officer I would agree with you.

The erosion of professionalism in the BCSD is the issue here. If we allow this to go on, the problem will only get worse.
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:35 AM
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Then go to Internal Affairs about it. If you're so concerned, that's the avenue to take. It's what the department is for.

I just don't think that YOU should be flagging down cops and getting on them about speeding when you've got NO idea what's going on. When we start doing that, we'll get less respect from the cops because they don't think we respect them. It's a two way street. When cops sit and hear about "all the corruption" on the force, even though it probably involves less than 1% of them, they start to get the feeling that nobody respects the work they do.

There's corruption in EVERY police force in the nation, but honestly, SA is a pretty well served town. There are much more corrupt places.

If you feel that your story is THAT big a deal, go to IA and call the news stations about it.
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