08-10-2009, 04:27 PM
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Wow, I have been having the worse luck lately. First, I dropped my Zune while installing shelves in my garage. Then, I get a door ding at WalMart (after going to a gun show that wasn't). Then yesterday I was out in the Jeep for a while and when I was coming home I noticed the front left tire was going flat.
I was within a few miles of home so I nursed her in, and today I took the tire to Discount Tire to see if they would fix it. Well, since they use a plug system they wouldn't since the hold is "too big." Honestly, it's not that big; but I didn't want to argue with them. I still love the place.
So now I need the tire patched. Patching has become less common for several reasons, none of which are safety-related. Modern plugs are designed to repair radial tires and are self-vulcanizing. They heat up from driving and "melt" into the tire to become one piece.
Patching a tire can take about 30 minutes, but installing a plug takes a few minutes and usually can be done while the tire is still on the car. Patching costs $10.00-$15.00 while plugging can cost as little as $2.00-$5.00.
But patching--either cold or hot patching--is still a safe way to repair a tire, the problem is finding someone who does it. Obviously my favorite tire store doesn't go it, so I am looking for someplace reputable that does (who will also spin balance the tire after it is re-installed). Any suggestions?
Cheers! M2
08-10-2009, 04:49 PM
Location: South Central Texas
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Most of these tire shops on the south side only use patches these days. Plugs seem to be on the way out. Come down Military Drive to Pleasanton Road or South Flores turn south. Three or four blocks south of Military on either one you'll see a large yellow bldg. (King tire) think they're called.. Not the swiftest bunch but they probably do more flat fixing than anyone.
08-10-2009, 05:03 PM
Location: San Antonio
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Man, gotta disagree with you on this one.
08-10-2009, 05:36 PM
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Paka
There is no information that shows that patches are any less safe than plugs. It is more a matter of convenience, it's much easier to plug a tire. I've had several tires plugged over the years and never a problem, the worst that happens is that the plug isn't 100% vulcanized and leaks a little air.
I check the air pressure in my tires constantly, and I would bet that 75% of people that drive in SA don't and that is more dangerous than a simple repair.
Plus, blowouts are usually caused by tread separation, a leading cause of which is the design and placement of the belts and overlying tread or the poor adhesion of the tire components. Poor adhesion is usually the result of old and expired adhesives, improper temperatures and unclean manufacturing facilities used in the manufacturing process. Poor adhesion may also be the result of contaminants introduced during manufacturing such as rust, moisture, oxidation, grease, sawdust, gum wrappers and even cigarette butts (
source ).
That said, tire blowouts are more likely due to poorly designed tires, poor materials, or old and/or worn tires. I have yet to see any substantial research tying repairs to blowouts, and the cases that have occurred are usually the result of an improper repair.
08-10-2009, 06:46 PM
Location: Kallison Ranch, San Antonio,TX.
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majormadmax- I'm sorry for all the trouble you went through. I hate door dings so much that I park in the North 40.
08-10-2009, 06:49 PM
Location: South Central Texas
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Yep! Live with the ding and replace the tire may be good advice. We've got great tires all around on our vehicles . I'm extremely safety conscious especially driving. Blowout or whatever, every ten mph over 50 you increase speed you decrease your chances of survival considerably in an accident. Not to say that I can afford to replace a tire every time I get a thorn in one. But tires are supremely important if you like to push the limits!!
08-10-2009, 07:25 PM
Location: NE San Antonio
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Havent been there for years but there was/is a place on Rittiman @ 35 that does patches.
Did you buy your tire at Discount? You should get a no/low charge replacement. I love that place! Just today I stopped at one because of a huge screw, and they found another nail in the same tire. Fixable, no charge
08-10-2009, 07:30 PM
Location: Texas
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Personally, I prefer my flat tires plugged AND patched.
08-10-2009, 07:43 PM
Location: West Creek
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
majormadmax
Wow, I have been having the worse luck lately. First, I dropped my Zune while installing shelves in my garage. Then, I get a door ding at WalMart (after going to a gun show that wasn't). Then yesterday I was out in the Jeep for a while and when I was coming home I noticed the front left tire was going flat.
I was within a few miles of home so I nursed her in, and today I took the tire to Discount Tire to see if they would fix it. Well, since they use a plug system they wouldn't since the hold is "too big." Honestly, it's not that big; but I didn't want to argue with them. I still love the place.
So now I need the tire patched. Patching has become less common for several reasons, none of which are safety-related. Modern plugs are designed to repair radial tires and are self-vulcanizing. They heat up from driving and "melt" into the tire to become one piece.
Patching a tire can take about 30 minutes, but installing a plug takes a few minutes and usually can be done while the tire is still on the car. Patching costs $10.00-$15.00 while plugging can cost as little as $2.00-$5.00.
But patching--either cold or hot patching--is still a safe way to repair a tire, the problem is finding someone who does it. Obviously my favorite tire store doesn't go it, so I am looking for someplace reputable that does (who will also spin balance the tire after it is re-installed). Any suggestions?
Cheers! M2
it depends where you got the hole, is it on the tire side wall, or tire well? In order to save some technical do dahs, if you have the hole on the side wall (ie. where the tire brand logo is at) then its not fixable, It will be plugable, but It will not hold. If you want some place that patches them up good, theres a place on HUNT and Marbach right behind the Valero (where Napa Auto Parts is at) reasonable prices, and they back their work up.
08-10-2009, 08:12 PM
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I should've noted it is in the middle of the tread, and not overly big. I thought it could have been easily plugged, but for some reason the guy at Discount Auto didn't think so. And I didn't buy these tires there, I got them from a guy up in Dallas who put bigger ones on his Jeep.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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