10-03-2009, 12:51 PM
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Not necessarily. Does the school get funding if they suspend a student? If they don't, does that encourage the school to be more lenient on discipline? THAT sure wouldn't make sense.
Actually, yes this does happen. I used to work for a district that RARELY allowed principals to give out of school suspensions - they were always in school suspensions so that their attendance was counted. We hired ISS teachers specifically to teach these classes in each school.
It's all about the money.
BTW OP- my parents took me out of school for vacation every year and I survived. My mother even allowed me to take 'mental health' days when I woke up and just couldn't drag myself to school. You know, the same mental health days that we often take as adults. Missing school to learn life experiences in the real world, see sights that I would have only learned about in a textbook in class and spend quality time w/ the people who love me didn't come in the way of me earning a masters degree either.
10-03-2009, 09:10 PM
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We just got back from a one week vacation (we told our 4 year old it was a field trip) to the D/FW area. When I wrote the note for my daughter's elementary school (she attends Pre-K), we got a phone call from the lady who handles attendance for the school that a one week vacation would normally be an unexcused absence, but this time the principal excused it and to not expect it to be excused should we do this again. My daughter is 4, not 14. She is in Pre-K... PRE-K!!!!!!
The reason why we took this vacation after the school year started is because we were supposed to go to Disney during the summer for her birthday. Then we were informed that we had to re-register her for Pre-K (even though she had gone to the same elementary school the year before and had ALL her records) and the only day we could do it was a day we had planned on being at Disney. We could also wait and opt to re-register her in August when the administration came back, but since my daughter is special needs and could only be enrolled in one (out of 4) class and had a max of 17 students, we decided that waiting until August to register her for Pre-K was too great of a risk.
And since my husband is also military and I am a civil service employee, we both had schedule conflicts until this past week. Not to mention that my daughter is only 4 and I really do not think missing a week in Pre-K is that big of a deal. In the future, we will probably take any vacations during spring, summer or winter breaks, but we were very happy to be doing some tourist things in D/FW without having to worry about a ton of crowds.
Private school or home schooling may be in our daughters' future. I'm not very fond of TAKS testing anyway and this In Loco Parentis seems to be taking things a bit too far.
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10-04-2009, 03:07 PM
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Education IS a partnership...but there need to be some guidelines as to how the state funds it...daily attendance makes sense.
Agree on the need for funding guidelines, but daily attendance doesn't make sense to me. Does electricity usage go lower when some students stay home? Do teachers take a cut in pay because they are only teaching 22 students instead of 25? I would propose that they fund the schools based on the enrollment on a fixed date, kind of like a drop date in college.
I know that some will say that if it didn't matter whether the kids showed up or not, that truancy would be higher because the school just wouldn't care. But living close to a HS and working close to another one, it seems that after the roll is taken in the morning, that kids just walk off campus and the school doesn't worry about taking any action to get them back.
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However, the school still needs to keep those kids who miss school up to speed. Most children are fine. But some cannot afford even to miss a day.
Excellent point. Hopefully the parents understand how their child learns.
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Would your child's school be OK with keeping kids out of school if tuition was paid on a per-diem basis?
Probably not, which is why I don't agree with this basis of funding.
10-06-2009, 08:58 AM
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Take away from your kids education so you can go on vacation?
Sorry, that sounds borderline selfish.
10-06-2009, 09:36 AM
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Part of a child's education is to teach him/her that there is a time and place for everything. Taking them out of school to take a vacation does nothing to teach them that, IMO.
10-06-2009, 09:37 AM
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Take away from your kids education so you can go on vacation?
Sorry, that sounds borderline selfish.
I think, like most things, the answer isn't yes or no. Some vacations
would be selfish. But... say there was a cultural or historical opportunity in another city that didn't occur during "normal" vacation times. It could be argued that experiencing this event would be much more educational than being in school for those few days.
10-06-2009, 09:45 AM
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part of a child's education is to teach him/her that there is a time and place for everything. Taking them out of school to take a vacation does nothing to teach them that, imo.
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10-06-2009, 09:58 AM
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I would love to be able to take my kids out of school for a Disney vacation, or to take advantage of the cheaper cruise rates in the off season. The allure of spending $250 per person on a cruise vs $650+ is so tempting. The memories of WDW in the fall when there were no lines at any of the attractions and the weather was cooler is so irresistible.
However....
The main reason we do not take our kids out of school for vacations has nothing to do with the state requirements for attendance. The kids need to be in class so they can learn. Maybe this isn't so true in the lower grades, but believe me, once they get into high school, and in some cases, even middle school, the curriculum moves at a such a pace that my kids complain if they miss even one day due to illness. I have to check with them to see what is going on in class before I attempt to make medical or dental appointments! Talk about something being a royal pain!!
Maybe when the children are in the lower elementary grades, they can get by with missing a week of school. I can't remember if it is fourth or fifth grade where the expectations seem to take a leap. There is definitely a leap between fifth and sixth grades, as well as from eighth to ninth, then every year in high school is another leap. My kiddos went to both a private school where you could take them out for vacations and public school where I wouldn't want to even think about it, and I find the issues to be the same across the board.
Also, ask yourself if you would like to have to take your work along with you on vacation. My husband takes pains to make sure he is work-free when we are on vacation. I'm lucky in that I can just 'clock out', so to speak. My kids definitely don't want to have any school work. However, you can get the assignments and take them along on vacation, but really, what kind of a vacation is it for them when they are doing not only homework, but also the lesson for the day? Don't forget they will probably be tired from the day's activities. Who wants to lug all the books and folders around on vacation anyway? Can you provide tutoring in Pre-Calculus or Physics? What about that band/orchestra instrument that needs to be practiced due to the upcoming competitions? Will you have access to a computer to type up and/or research an essay over the conflicts that existed between France and Britain over North America and in Europe during the American Revolution? Don't forget the chemistry or biology labs that will be missed, either. My kids both agree that vacations are to be vacations with no school work to worry about.
I guess if you must take your kiddos out of school for vacation, do it while they are young, because once they get to a certain point, not even the grandeur of a Caribbean cruise or the fantastical fun of a theme park are worth the hassle of playing catch up in school.
10-14-2009, 07:00 AM
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We went to Disney during Spring Break and never again. Lol. With that said I would not pull my child out of school for it. Just plan a week over Thanksgiving or Christmas. If you look at the school calendar the students have a break of some sort EVERY MONTH!!! That should allow plenty of time for various getaways.
The principals hands are tied and has a responsibility to the state. It wont be an issue with a child in kindergarten but say in middle school they are only allowed a certain number of days to make up any missed work.
Yes, the schools have to turn in a count to the state. How else would the state know how much to alot for ? Its called being accountable and it's a fact of life like it or not.
When you have to teach a lesson twice because Johnny went on vacation and missed out, Diferentiation takes on a whole new meaning.
That sounds very appropiate when it is possible! but guess what. There are people that can not take vacations during school breaks (like us) because have a business that serve schools while they take their brakes. And guess what else, just a little bit of common sense will take for this to be different. I agree with you on teachers not teaching twice the same class. Parents and students need to look for a way to update which only take a little bit of effort.
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It is excused and encouraged to leave school to participate in the olympics, but not go on vacation. This action clearly shows the public the priority of student attendance.
The teachers are given more than a week of paid time off, however families can be granted zero flexibility. How can the students be learning when the teacher takes a week for his/her mother's funeral? Because it doesn't matter long-term.
School is not important. Education is everything. Schools can be used to educate. Success has nothing to do with grade point average. The most successful people in America travel on a regular basis. They work hard and play hard. They fully realize the value of travel and more importantly realize the damage caused to their kids by not being in school.
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People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)