04-26-2010, 05:26 PM
Location: Smalltown, USA
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I haven't read this thread - I stopped right here at the first post.
Discipline begins AT HOME. If YOU can't control your kids, if they act like little beasts and YOU LET THEM, they're going to be horrid in school.
Teach your children to obey rules and to listen to the teacher and to behave themselves and to keep their hands to themselves, and you won't have to advocate for corporal punishment in schools.
I'm SICK of everyone blaming teachers and the school system for how "awful" and "out of control" kids are. Parents need to take responsibility.
I totally agree with this. I'd rep you if I could.
04-26-2010, 05:42 PM
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I totally agree with this. I'd rep you if I could.
TTG
No worries, I rep'd her for both of us!
And this thread is ridiculous...
Cheers! M2
04-26-2010, 06:26 PM
Location: San Antonio
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Thanks, you guys. My mom taught high school for nearly 30 years and my best friend has been teaching since 1987, God bless her.
04-26-2010, 06:34 PM
Location: San Antonio
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I haven't read this thread - I stopped right here at the first post.
Discipline begins AT HOME. If YOU can't control your kids, if they act like little beasts and YOU LET THEM, they're going to be horrid in school.
Teach your children to obey rules and to listen to the teacher and to behave themselves and to keep their hands to themselves, and you won't have to advocate for corporal punishment in schools.
I'm SICK of everyone blaming teachers and the school system for how "awful" and "out of control" kids are. Parents need to take responsibility.
Absolutely true,
The problem is the parents who abdicate their role in discipline and their resultant out of control spawn disrupt the classroom and make the "in control" kids unable to learn.
04-26-2010, 07:18 PM
Location: Boerne area
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Disciplinary AEP is always an option; this is not for adjudicated kids only, chronic misbehavior can be sent there too.
04-26-2010, 07:23 PM
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Well I don't see forcing Little Johnny or Sarah to run around the track or doing push ups being an option in real life...they will simply refuse to do them or mommy/daddy will have a cow that you are abusng their poor darling somehow. Remember these are not kids that respect authority. That is the problem. They WILL NOT do what the teacher says, don't care what the administrators say (if they say anything at all before sending them back to class), and know that there is really no recourse for the teachers or even administrators.
LOL - I understand. So if someone tried to administer corporal punishment on these kids, what would they do? Fight back? Refuse to 'assume the position' or what ever? Bring a weapon to school and exact revenge?
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I could buy into the seminars for teachers on classroom managment. However nowadays that would likely mean teaching the teachers to "listen to the poor misguided children about what is the root of their current emotional issue causing them to act out in socially unacceptable ways". Oh and the teacher has to do this somehow while teaching and watching the other 25+ kids in the class so they can continue to reach the educational goals we expect. Granted some teachers could be better managers of their classrooms no doubt, but this is NOT the problem. It is lack of discipline in the children, they are not required by their parents or the district to stop this behavior.
So just how are you proposing to fix this problem? At least the seminar would give the teacher more tools or ideas.
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Just think if you told your child to do or to stop doing something. They refuse. You tell them again. Again they refuse or better yet, perhaps they yell at you or cuss at you. What will you do? What recourse do you have that would cause the child to change their behavior and accept your will? Now put a teacher in your place. What will you allow a teacher to do in those circumstances? Probably much less. Now imagine the kid KNOWS the teacher can do absolutely NOTHING to make them obey. Will they? They will have to chose to do so. There is nothing the teacher can do to them or take away from them that they will care about so what is the disciplinary tool they can use?
Isn't there a TV commercial using this very same scenario?
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If you send the kid to the office nothing happens. I think that is what people just don't believe. Somehow we think these kids CARE that they are being sent out of the class. They don't! Its a game to them and they laugh the whole way there and back. Literally laugh. Please don't think I am joking.
No, you are not joking. This is exactly what I have heard my kids say happens when kids are sent to the office. Anyone that has school aged kids, especially in middle or high school, can ask them if things like this happen in their classes. I'm sure they all will have similar stories. Even in private schools, these things happen. The problem started at home.
Change the rules for alternative school options to include disciplinary issues that are non criminal related and send the kids there. They can be dropped off at their home HS and bused to the alternative school. Get them out of the classroom so the teachers can teach. Give the home school the state money for having the kid at least in the alternative school so there's no money issues. Or put them in ISS.
Honestly, I don't know what you can actually do to force a kid to do something if they are that hostile. Like so many have said, discipline starts at home. If they have grown up not respecting authority, and the legal system for the school can't deal with it, I'm afraid that these hooligans will find their match in the real world when they turn 18 and can no longer hide under the guise of being able to get away with things just because they are labeled a 'juvenile'.
04-26-2010, 07:26 PM
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LindaGrace
I haven't read this thread - I stopped right here at the first post.
Discipline begins AT HOME. If YOU can't control your kids, if they act like little beasts and YOU LET THEM, they're going to be horrid in school.
Teach your children to obey rules and to listen to the teacher and to behave themselves and to keep their hands to themselves, and you won't have to advocate for corporal punishment in schools.
I'm SICK of everyone blaming teachers and the school system for how "awful" and "out of control" kids are. Parents need to take responsibility.
Linda, I think the problem the OP was describing is what to do when the parents HAVE NOT instilled discipline at home and that the teachers and administrators don't have the tools necessary to deal with the unruly kids.
04-26-2010, 08:40 PM
Location: San Antonio
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When I was growing up my mother would tell me to behave when I was at the neighbors house, because she had permission to spank me and if my neighbor had to spank me, my mother would spank me again when I got home. No questions asked. It was never an issue...but always in the back of my mind.
I also remember asking my mother to write a note to the school for my file forbidding them from spanking me. She said "If you do what you are suppose to do, then there would be no reason for the note, right"?
I don't believe in beating a child black and blue, but I do believe in discipline. Spanking is a form of discipline that sure got my attention.
04-26-2010, 11:13 PM
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What was that saying Hillary Clinton spouted during her husband's first term..."It takes a village to raise a child?" She forgot to add that it also takes two concerned parents and an effective education system. I know that many of us who were products of public education in the 50's and 60's and possibly early 70's received the better education as compared to today. Family, personal and societal values were much different then. Admittedly I got into my share of trouble in school..we didn't carry knives and had never heard 9mm's, 45's and the like. I was a rumble fish and we settled our differences after school off & school grounds...and once we gave a pounding or received one...it was over and we resumed school life. Man have times changed. In my opinion I received the best elementary, middle and high school education that any one could hope for through DODSS (Dept of Defense School System). My dad even sent me to a military academy for three years during my formative years. Yes I was rebellious at first but I grew love it...structure, education, discipline, self-worth and pride. Public schools today in my opinion fall way short of the standards set by their early predecessors.
Now flash forward 40 years...take a hard look at society and what it has bred in the way of rebellious youth and tell me you would advocate corporal punishment in this day and age. Trying to take a paddle to one of these misguided misfits today could be tantamount to suicide. My point is there's nothing you can do to any of these kids that's going to get their attention...you can't force them to succeed...they have to want to succeed...they have to want it. Lets face it...our public school systems aren't equipped to handle students of today...there's a disconnect when it comes to effective teaching and training young minds to want to learn. Quite frankly our scholastic ratings in for elementary, middle, and high school suck when compared to the international community. As a country/society we tolerate failure and in many instances pass a student on to the next grade despite their poor performance. I find it amusing that we have compulsory school attendance in many states requiring students to "attend" school up to a certain age...yet we don't hold the educators accountable for their failure to adequately educate our children. If you think schools are doing their jobs...try watching Battle of the Jaywalk Allstars on the Leno Show...it's truly embarrassing to hear the answers of some of these people.
If you really think I'm off base...look at how many high school grads are having to take remedial english, math, reading and writing basics at the community college level before they are allowed to enroll in college courses. As a college educator I was usually always frustrated by the fact that many students wanting to take classes I taught couldn't because they didn't have basic high school core competencies needed to be successful at the community college level. I found this to be very disheartening. Students today aren't guided toward the math and sciences like in the past...and as a nation we are going to pay a price for this ambivilance toward their education. Discussions in Washington D.C. regarding the education of this nation's youth now include the national security threat that our pitiful education system poses to our country. At one meeting I attended one government consultant commented regarding our education system that as a nation we were turning out fat poorly educated kids.
At any rate...you can't beat on someone and expect them to learn...unless they are in the military.
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Corpral punishment needs to be put back into the schools.....that is what is wrong with these kids now a days.....no respect
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Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)