Hemet or San Jacinto? (Los Angeles, San Diego: section 8, earthquake, live in)

[AFtrEFkt]

Who is "y'all"? Are you reading my posts, dude? LOL!

[Brandon Graves]

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

Who is "y'all"? Are you reading my posts, dude? LOL!

I'm reading multiple posts at quite the same time! Multi-tasking, dude!

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

I've found that many people need a proverbial dog to kick to make themselves feel better. It's an especially acute problem in Southern California where materialism and what I call "city envy" run rampant.

For example:

Person 1: "Where do you live?"
Person 2: "I live in Menifee"
Person 1: "Oh, isn't that like a wannabe Murrieta?"
Person 2: "Yeah, there's not much there, but at least we're not Hemet!"
Person 1: "True! That place is a dump!"
Person 2: "Where do you live?"
Person 1: "I live in Banning, you know, adjacent to Palm Springs!"

Hemet has become the Inland Empire's new favorite "dog" to kick right now, much to the relief of Moreno Valley, Victorville, Rialto and Corona.

In the Coachella Valley, their "dog" was Indio for a long time, but now they kick on Desert Hot Springs.

People in Santa Clarita love to kick on Palmdale/Lancaster even though most of them are one missed mortgage payment away from living there too.

I agree with stopping the city name calling and putting down people who definitely don't deserve to be maligned, but, that said, Hemet is pretty bad.

[kttam186290]

Let's be honest: the 1980s weren't kind to most of the Coachella Valley, no matter where you were.

It was after the Spring Breakers (1970s) had stopped coming to Palm Springs and before the "Gay 90s" when the LGBT community started to move in and revive the area en mass.

The area's reputation no longer had the luster of being a "Hollywood playground" (1930s-1950s) and the crack-cocaine epidemic was ravaging the area.

The 1980s just weren't a good time for the Coachella Valley.

Hemet, too, will outgrow this phase and hopefully prosper once more.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

Let's be honest: the 1980s weren't kind to most of the Coachella Valley, no matter where you were.

It was after the Spring Breakers (1970s) had stopped coming to Palm Springs and before the "Gay 90s" when the LGBT community started to move in and revive the area en mass.

The area's reputation no longer had the luster of being a "Hollywood playground" (1930s-1950s) and the crack-cocaine epidemic was ravaging the area.

The 1980s just weren't a good time for the Coachella Valley.

Hemet, too, will outgrow this phase and hopefully prosper once more.

Hemet has imported some bad elements from LA that might make a turn around harder, but I sure hope it happens. The people there don't deserve to be terrorized by tweakers and criminals.

[kttam186290]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Hemet has imported some bad elements from LA that might make a turn around harder, but I sure hope it happens. The people there don't deserve to be terrorized by tweakers and criminals.

+1 for you!

They don't. And, worse, they don't deserve to be tarred-and-feathered because things out of their control happened and they got dumped on.

It's not like the Powers That Be came to Hemet and asked them, "hey, do you guys want to be the dumping ground for Southern California?" and they said, "yeah, sure, bring it on!"

What city would voluntarily take that on and torture itself like that? I don't know any that would.

So let's quit dogging out Hemet.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

+1 for you!

They don't. And, worse, they don't deserve to be tarred-and-feathered because things out of their control happened and they got dumped on.

It's not like the Powers That Be came to Hemet and asked them, "hey, do you guys want to be the dumping ground for Southern California?" and they said, "yeah, sure, bring it on!"

What city would voluntarily take that on and torture itself like that? I don't know any that would.

So let's quit dogging out Hemet.

It's not just Hemet: San Berdoo, Hemet and Moreno Valley (the nicest and newest) all have, to varying degrees, the same export issues and it is terrible. Moreno Valley especially has very many nice, working-class normal family oriented people. Then came the problems from LA...The people who moved to places like MV did so to escape those problems, get a new or newer house, and they did not expect it to come to THEM. If you really think about it, the fact that people make fun of them is because they care about the middle class people who tried to better their lives by moving there in the first place. They instead look down on them.

[kttam186290]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

It's not just Hemet: San Berdoo, Hemet and Moreno Valley (the nicest and newest) all have, to varying degrees, the same export issues and it is terrible. Moreno Valley especially has very many nice, working-class normal family oriented people. Then came the problems from LA...The people who moved to places like MV did so to escape those problems, get a new or newer house, and they did not expect it to come to THEM. If you really think about it, the fact that people make fun of them is because they care about the middle class people who tried to better their lives by moving there in the first place. They instead look down on them.

Where do we place the blame exactly?

There's a huge list:

1.) First, let's talk about the decline of manufacturing jobs. That led to chronic unemployment in L.A. and Long Beach. We can blame national politics and globalization for that.
2.) Unemployment led to crime and high welfare use.
3.) Which led to overburdened social services
4.) Which led to city leaders in L.A. and Long Beach trying to find ways to "creatively" shift their burdens
5.) Throw in all of the money-crazed real estate agents and developers....
6.) Who were catering to a materialistic culture of "bigger and better" and "the next best thing"
7.) Who overplayed their hand and overbuilt, thus causing the glut and ensuing crash
8.) L.A., Long Beach and even San Diego look askance at places like Hemet, San Bernardino and Victorville and see places where they can dump their chronically "troubled" populations while rehabilitating their own urban real estate.
9.) What were "urban problems" now become "suburban and rural problems".
10.) Eventually, they will get cycled out of Hemet too, and become Arizona and Nevada's "problems"
12.) I'm not going to let San Diego off the hook and I suspect that quite a few of Hemet's current issues originate there, too, and not just L.A./Long Beach.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

Where do we place the blame exactly?

There's a huge list:

1.) First, let's talk about the decline of manufacturing jobs. That led to chronic unemployment in L.A. and Long Beach. We can blame national politics and globalization for that.
2.) Unemployment led to crime and high welfare use.
3.) Which led to overburdened social services
4.) Which led to city leaders in L.A. and Long Beach trying to find ways to "creatively" shift their burdens
5.) Throw in all of the money-crazed real estate agents and developers....
6.) Who were catering to a materialistic culture of "bigger and better" and "the next best thing"
7.) Who overplayed their hand and overbuilt, thus causing the glut and ensuing crash
8.) L.A., Long Beach and even San Diego look askance at places like Hemet, San Bernardino and Victorville and see places where they can dump their chronically "troubled" populations while rehabilitating their own urban real estate.
9.) What were "urban problems" now become "suburban and rural problems".
10.) Eventually, they will get cycled out of Hemet too, and become Arizona and Nevada's "problems"
12.) I'm not going to let San Diego off the hook and I suspect that quite a few of Hemet's current issues originate there, too, and not just L.A./Long Beach.

I agree with the above, but would add 1.a, which is illegal immigration; and, 1.b, which is high levels of legal immigration that, combined with 1.a, basically displaced blacks as a major SoCal labor source.

I would also add 2.a which is a political movement towards greater welfare benefits which accelerated the trend.

[AFtrEFkt]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

Let's be honest: the 1980s weren't kind to most of the Coachella Valley, no matter where you were.

It was after the Spring Breakers (1970s) had stopped coming to Palm Springs and before the "Gay 90s" when the LGBT community started to move in and revive the area en mass.

PS stopped being a Spring Break destination when Sonny Bono became the mayor in 1988. He was the one who got rid of all that.

Originally Posted by kttam186290

Hemet, too, will outgrow this phase and hopefully prosper once more.

Hemet has to become something first. It's essentially a farming community that took a downturn and likely won't spring back anytime soon.