Medi-Cal for green card parents (taxes, live in, retired)

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by nightlysparrow

No, "enforcement" is not an issue here----Medi-Cal is not considered to be a public charge:

Q: Are health care benefits and enrollment in health insurance programs like Medicaid and CHIP considered for public charge purposes?

A: No, not unless an alien is primarily dependent on the government for subsistence as demonstrated by institutionalization for long-term care at the government’s expense. In particular, USCIS and the State Department will not consider participation in Medicaid, CHIP, or similar state-funded programs, for public charge purposes. This approach will help to safeguard public health while still allowing USCIS and the State Department to identify people who are primarily dependent on the government for subsistence by looking to the receipt of public cash assistance for income maintenance. In addition, short-term institutionalization for rehabilitation will not be considered for public charge purposes.

https://www.hooyou.com/i-485/FAQonPublicCharge.htm

This sounds like mental contortions, this notion of one not being "primarily dependent" as opposed to, say, being partly dependent. We don't need to bring anyone who is dependent, even in part, on government assistance.

[RosieSD]

Originally Posted by JohnDavis184

Dear All,



My parents recently received their Green Card and will be moving with me soon. Both are 70 plus. I want to know if they will be eligible for Medi-Cal. They got their green card through my sponsorship.

JohnDavis184,

I'm a little confused. I glanced at your other very recent posts and you mention that you lived in NY and then (just a few weeks ago) you said you were moving to Texas.

Now, you are saying your parents will be living with you in California.

If you and/or your parents live in NY or Texas, obviously Medi-Cal will not be available to you OR your parents.

Before people spend more time trying to help you, can you please clarify where you and your parents will be living?

However, the best and most reliable answer to your question, if you do currently live in California, will come from calling the Human Services Office in the California County where you currently provide. I would definitely rely more on that information than any you may receive from Internet sources.

[highlanderfil]

Originally Posted by nightlysparrow

No, "enforcement" is not an issue here----Medi-Cal is not considered to be a public charge:

Q: Are health care benefits and enrollment in health insurance programs like Medicaid and CHIP considered for public charge purposes?

A: No, not unless an alien is primarily dependent on the government for subsistence as demonstrated by institutionalization for long-term care at the government’s expense. In particular, USCIS and the State Department will not consider participation in Medicaid, CHIP, or similar state-funded programs, for public charge purposes. This approach will help to safeguard public health while still allowing USCIS and the State Department to identify people who are primarily dependent on the government for subsistence by looking to the receipt of public cash assistance for income maintenance. In addition, short-term institutionalization for rehabilitation will not be considered for public charge purposes.

https://www.hooyou.com/i-485/FAQonPublicCharge.htm

Happy to stand corrected if you answer me this: how does one qualify for Medi-Cal?

[nightlysparrow]

Originally Posted by highlanderfil

Happy to stand corrected if you answer me this: how does one qualify for Medi-Cal?

LMGTFY

[payutenyodagimas]

Originally Posted by cyberfx1024

But the sponsor signed the paperwork saying that they will not be public charge at all.

the federal govt follow its law. the states and the local govt don't give a **** so the immigrants have it easy

[payutenyodagimas]

Originally Posted by Spritanium

@ "We don't need to bring anyone who is dependent, even in part, on government assistance."

Can someone explain to me what the problem with government assistance is? Shouldn't the government actually do something for its citizens apart from fisting them?

If you are an immigrant, you are not supposed to depend on govt assistance until you become citizen.


part of the problem is, the govt doesn't require a bond for these undertaking. if it is required, im sure, no immigrant wont petition their old/sickly parents

[cyberfx1024]

Originally Posted by Spritanium

@ "We don't need to bring anyone who is dependent, even in part, on government assistance."

Can someone explain to me what the problem with government assistance is? Shouldn't the government actually do something for its citizens apart from fisting them?

The government doesn't do anything for us except take our money to beef up the military which is already ten times as big as it should be. And republicans are okay with this?

In the US we have this ridiculous work ethic culture where your value is determined by how much backbreaking labor you're able to put in for as little return as possible...and if someone suggests that the government should help people out who can't afford things, oh no, that's "socialism" which means it's automatically bad.

Conservatives have a very warped view of how the world should work. My wife asked her father what he thinks the point of the government is, and he responded "to make money" as if it was the most obvious answer to any question he'd ever been asked. How does that even make sense? Make money for whom?

I realize this is sort of off topic but I won't miss a chance to stir the pot.

The government is not supposed to do anything for you but provide for the common defense of the country. I am sorry you believe in a nanny state but a large majority of us do not want that at all. Maybe you should move to Canada and enjoy the free healthcare there.

[lae60]

[quote=Spritanium;48889855]@ "We don't need to bring anyone who is dependent, even in part, on government assistance."

Can someone explain to me what the problem with government assistance is? Shouldn't the government actually do something for its citizens apart from fisting them?

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My problem with government assistance is that the 'government' only has money that it takes from someone else in the form of taxes and fees.

So for the government to give this assistance to others, it is at a cost to some. The ones paying this cost, at a great detriment to themselves, are not the rich, its the middle class.

So helping out someone in a time of need is something I can support, PROVIDED the time of need is defined and the person is making steps to end the time of need (unless the person has a real handicapping condition).

I do not support taking from some who do work to give to those that can but do not want to work because they have an entitlement mentality.

YES! WORKING IS IMPORTANT! IT IS HOW ONE EARNS THEIR OWN MONEY TO PAY THEIR OWN BILLS.

And someone who just walked in to door of this country with a sponsor want to get assistance???--NO! Their sponsor should sponsor them, not ME through my taxes. I did not sign up to sponsor yet another open mouth with a hand out, self declared entitled person.

And I worked a regular job and got 57% of my gross pay as my net pay. So I am TAXED WAAAY too much already. I can not afford to feed, cloth, shelter or provide medical care for anyone else!

And I fully and completely pay for all my food, shelter, clothing and medical care. Spritanium, can you say the same? I think not. Most people wanting socialized anything are trying to get someone else to pay for their bills.

There is no magic pot of money to pay your bills. They take that money from me and others like me who work!

[RosieSD]

[quote=lae60;48909718]

Originally Posted by Spritanium

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And I fully and completely pay for all my food, shelter, clothing and medical care.

So, if you were fired, you would turn down unemployment benefits?

If your kids were attending college, you'd reject any form of Federal financial aid you might be eligible for?

When you retire, you'll refuse social security?

If you or your spouse need help paying for a nursing home, you'd absolutely never accept Medicare?

[lae60]

[quote=RosieSD;48910262]

Originally Posted by lae60

So, if you were fired, you would turn down unemployment benefits?

If your kids were attending college, you'd reject any form of Federal financial aid you might be eligible for?

When you retire, you'll refuse social security?

If you or your spouse need help paying for a nursing home, you'd absolutely never accept Medicare?

I would NEVER be fired, as I followed the rules of my job and if I did not like the rules I applied for and got a different one. But I would not have an issue with taking unemployment as that is a benefit that is PAID FOR by the employer for each employee (with a few exceptions such as church employees). So that is not really a hand out, but using a benefit that was paid for. At the same time, I would only use it as needed and would be working 40+ hours as an unemployed person to get another job. I would not plan on sitting on my a$$ collecting it until it ran out, then crying I did not have a job.

I live in Tennessee, and the state guarantees that the first two years of college are paid for. My taxes pay for it for everyone. WHY does a conservative state like TN pay for this? BECAUSE it develops the workforce so they have jobs, and the state can collect taxes on their expenditures rather than support them. Again, this is a set program, with an end that results in people then contributing back to the general community by buying things and paying sales taxes on what they buy. (NO earned income tax in TN.) Federal aid, my kids would not qualify for as my income would be too high. But its fine for others, for the same reason as the state college assistance is, but replace sales tax with income tax. Education is to better the country, not drain it.

I will gladly accept social security. I paid into it and will never get out what I paid in, if it was even conservatively invested.

I have no spouse, so that is a non-issue and I will not need medicare for a nursing home. I dislike nursing homes. My finances are in order to have in home care. And yes, both my parents passed away at home, by their choice, with hospice paid for through their medical insurance...which they kept from their jobs. And I will continue to keep my medical insurance from my job as well. Yes, I pay for it. BTW, I will also accept medicare as I have paid for it, each and every paycheck took out money for medicare.

Most of what you identified above are benefits that one pays for throughout their working life...not handouts.

Have you ever checked out the benefits that are deducted from your paycheck? And the benefits that are paid for by your employer? Most of what you identified will be there...assuming you are paid above the table by an employer.