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Oh, yes! I think that's in Whitewater or something!
Nope, it's in Ocotillo, in Imperial County. You can see Miller's from the I-8, just before you start up the hill towards Mountain Springs.
Used to be more fun to visit Miller's before people trashed it and it was fenced off. Still plenty of cool surprises in that area though. Great shot, GSR13.
That's one of the things I like about the desert, there are always surprises to stumble upon. (Long as it isn't a rattlesnake, I'm good to go.
)
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It's off the 8 in Ocotillo, at the bottom of the mountain grade
08-01-2017, 12:21 AM
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It's off the 8 in Ocotillo, at the bottom of the mountain grade
Great minds think alike. I like that whole area around Octollio -- Shell Canyon, the Yuha Desert, Old Hwy 80, the Trestle.
Have you ever taken the turn off at Mountain Springs? It's a neat area going up the mountain, with some indian grinding holes right off the road. (Lots of border patrol though).
We recently visited the Imperial Valley Desert Museum in Ocotillo (
Imperial Valley Desert Museum ) and they had a display explaining how Native Americans used to spend winters in the Valley, then travel up that hill to Mountain Springs (and the Cuyamacas) for the summer. Very interesting, and worth the stop (passed it by for years before finally stopping in!).
Brandon, have you ever been down to that area?
08-01-2017, 12:25 AM
Location: Jurupa Valley, CA, USA 92509
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Nope, it's in Ocotillo, in Imperial County. You can see Miller's from the I-8, just before you start up the hill towards Mountain Springs.
Used to be more fun to visit Miller's before people trashed it and it was fenced off. Still plenty of cool surprises in that area though. Great shot, GSR13.
That's one of the things I like about the desert, there are always surprises to stumble upon. (Long as it isn't a rattlesnake, I'm good to go.
)
Oops! I thought that was Whitewater because of the windmills!
08-01-2017, 12:27 AM
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Great minds think alike. I like that whole area around Octollio -- Shell Canyon, the Yuha Desert, Old Hwy 80, the Trestle.
Have you ever taken the turn off at Mountain Springs? It's a neat area going up the mountain, with some indian grinding holes right off the road. (Lots of border patrol though).
We recently visited the Imperial Valley Desert Museum in Ocotillo (
Imperial Valley Desert Museum ) and they had a display explaining how Native Americans used to spend winters in the Valley, then travel up that hill to Mountain Springs (and the Cuyamacas) for the summer. Very interesting, and worth the stop (passed it by for years before finally stopping in!).
Brandon, have you ever been down to that area?
Nope, have not... Will have to take a trip down there some time...
08-01-2017, 12:53 AM
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Great minds think alike. I like that whole area around Octollio -- Shell Canyon, the Yuha Desert, Old Hwy 80, the Trestle.
Have you ever taken the turn off at Mountain Springs? It's a neat area going up the mountain, with some indian grinding holes right off the road. (Lots of border patrol though).
We recently visited the Imperial Valley Desert Museum in Ocotillo (
Imperial Valley Desert Museum ) and they had a display explaining how Native Americans used to spend winters in the Valley, then travel up that hill to Mountain Springs (and the Cuyamacas) for the summer. Very interesting, and worth the stop (passed it by for years before finally stopping in!).
Brandon, have you ever been down to that area?
I have yet to take the Mountain Springs turnoff. I'm usually too busy joyriding up and down the grade at 80 miles an hour
Awesome drive once you're used to the road's curves.
I'll have to check it out along with the Imperial Valley Desert Museum. I will put these on my to do list along with the Desert View tower (can't believe I haven't stopped off there yet). Thx for the tips!
08-01-2017, 11:49 AM
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I have yet to take the Mountain Springs turnoff. I'm usually too busy joyriding up and down the grade at 80 miles an hour
Awesome drive once you're used to the road's curves.
I'll have to check it out along with the Imperial Valley Desert Museum. I will put these on my to do list along with the Desert View tower (can't believe I haven't stopped off there yet). Thx for the tips!
I also love coming up that grade -- especially around sunset. Everything just glows! Going down is a trip too. Last year, I came around a bend going down the grade and there were three Big Horn Sheep standing in the middle of 8. I had to do some fancy driving to swerve around them at 70 MPH.
So, now I try not to get too distracted by the scenery. But, that truly is an awesome stretch of road.
Last time I stopped into the Desert View Tower (about two years ago), it was a shadow of its former glory. Still worth a stop though if you've never been. When I was there last, a women from Germany was the live in caretaker, and it was interesting to talk to her about how she ended up in Jacumba. Be sure to check out the UFOs on the road to the Tower (you'll understand when you get there).
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Okay, this thread has gone off topic, so let's put it
back on this thread's topic , shall we?...
Would it ever be possible for someone to live in a ghost town out in the desert of San Bernardino County? (e.g., Ludlow, Amboy, Cima, Vidal, Nipton, Halloran Springs, etc.) If so, how would one go about it? What would be the legal requirements for someone to do so? What would one have to do for water, cable TV, electricity, gas, Internet/Wi-Fi, etc.? Where would one have to go for entertainment, recreation, groceries, eating out, medical, fire, police, church, school/education, etc.? Where is/are the nearest location(s) for any of these necessities? Will one have to worry about any sort of crime in any of those ghost towns, since they are all far away from the nearest police station? Will one have to worry about using the A/C during the brutally hot summer months? How about using the heater during the brutally cold winter months?
Are some, most, or all of those desert ghost towns now private property, or protected by law by the local agencies/government(s) of San Bernardino County?
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People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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So, now I try not to get too distracted by the scenery. But, that truly is an awesome stretch of road.
