San Diego Trolley (Orange, El Cajon, Vista: apartments, city hall, high school)

[oddstray]

Originally Posted by malcorub16

...I wonder if The Trolley is the main culprit for bringing vagrants to Mission Valley...? In which case I might understand the nimbys concerns.

Nope. The homeless were living in the 'wooded' areas of Mission Valley long before the trolley was installed.

[davdaven]

Originally Posted by skeke

Per staff who worked there before the trolley came through, the River Walk was a popular place to go during lunch break but they quit walking there after the trolley came through because they said scary people started to come there via the trolley and hang around by the river.

I call BS. As a visitor to Mission Valley from elsewhere in the county, I didn't notice a difference between the San Diego River trails before and after the Trolley's arrival. The homeless people were already there.

Back on topic, I rode the Trolley regularly when I lived in Chula Vista. I primarily rode the Blue Line between Palomar Street and Old Town, and the Orange Line between 12th & Imperial and Spring Street. I still ride the Orange Line occasionally during my visits, but I rarely get to ride the Blue Line now that my mom moved out of CV. The Trolley works well if your origins and destinations are along the line, but otherwise it isn't very effective. I had a commute from H Street to 12th & Imperial for 3 summers in a row. It was pretty nice, despite the crowds, because I was a short walk from home and work on either end.

[skeke]

Originally Posted by davdaven

I call BS. As a visitor to Mission Valley from elsewhere in the county, I didn't notice a difference between the San Diego River trails before and after the Trolley's arrival. The homeless people were already there.

I couldn't say as I did not work in Mission Valley pre-trolley. Either my staff, who did, were imagining things or it got worse after the trolley went in. Me, I have no idea. I can confirm the presence of transients along the river walk by my office when I worked there, but I cannot tell you what it was like pre-trolley.

[shmoov_groovzsd]

Just heard this on NPR this morning. This is more along the lines of trajectory that us SD heading in the next 50 years or so. Granted we dont have many more suburbs to build white collar centers of industry anymore so I would suppose downtown's east side is ripe for the picking to support trolley riders etc.

SANDAG already has Smart Growth initiatives in place for cities that have a trolley going through its neighborhood/city. Santee Town Center has done a great job with this and even where we live, the funding and transformation is already taking place.

Should be interesting to see over the decades.

How One D.C. Suburb Set A Gold Standard For Commuting : NPR

[malcorub16]

Originally Posted by shmoov_groovzsd

SANDAG already has Smart Growth initiatives in place for cities that have a trolley going through its neighborhood/city. Santee Town Center has done a great job with this and even where we live, the funding and transformation is already taking place.

Should be interesting to see over the decades.

How One D.C. Suburb Set A Gold Standard For Commuting : NPR

Usually, I am not impressed by strip malls and shopping centers, but in the case of Santee Trolley Square, The Trolley actually goes thru the shopping center, not near it or around it, but thru it. So they really made the effort to bring public transportation to a typical suburban setting in a brand new shopping center that has all the usual stores and restaurants with Target as the hub.

Shop Santee Trolley Square Santee CA

Even across the way within walking distance of the trolley is a shopping center with Costco, Home Depot and Wal-Mart and many other of the usual stores.

I see some people and families board here on the weekends (I am not really sure about commuters during the week) for outings but The Trolley really picks up in usage at around the Grossmont Transit Center. So Trolley Square is not really a big destination as the international border might be, or downtown, old-town, or the future UTC stop will be, but it gives the area connectivity and future potential.

I could see the same thing happening for the folks down in Eastlake at their shopping Centers or even for the folks up in RP or RB.

[malcorub16]

Here's something you don't see often, a small convoy of San Diego Trolley Cars on the 8 Freeway in Lakeside being carried by a semi flat bed truck heading towards Alpine. Could it be going to its final resting place?


I read somewhere that MTS sold several San Diego Trolleys to the City of Buenos Aires Argentina a while ago, but it certainly could get there by land. Maybe the convoy of old trolleys was off to another city...?

[Mugsy]

Those are the ones sold to Argentina,and that is where they are headed...

Light rail arrives in Mendoza | International Railway Journal

The link is 2 years old, but the 1000 series are all being slowly sold to Mendoza in Argentina.

[sschibuola]

I don't know much about freight shipping logistics, but I know they are weird and sometimes not intuitive. Since they're going to Argentina . . . .maybe they need to leave the US via the Gulf e.g. Houston? Beats me why they wouldn't go out of our own Port or even LA/LB via the Panama Canal . . .

[moved]

MTS is gradually replacing all of the older trolley cars with the new lower floor ones, and are also making modifications to the trolley station platforms also. They've been working on it for a while, but I don't know how long the entire process is going to take.

[sdurbanite]

....Speaking of the Trolley. Lots of dialogue going on about the extension to UTC.

The Height of Trolley Tensions | Voice of San Diego