Why is San Diego so safe? (San Jose, Bakersfield: buy, college, mall)

[sfosyd]

Yet again, New York and Los Angeles are the safest big cities in America. New York is the largest city in America, Los Angeles is second. This discussion is in the context of San Diego, which is a large city (#7 in the USA), so people bring up small absolutely, irrelevant cities to try to prove their race baiting theories which have been demolished time and time again on this thread. Not cool.

New York and Los Angeles have the largest sheer numbers of black people (#1 and #5 respectively). So if your race baiting theories hold, why are these cities so safe?

A possible reason is diversity. It has been proven that the more diverse a city gets, the safer it gets. Certainly that is true of San Diego, it is safer now than it ever has been and has much larger Hispanic, Filipino, Ethiopian, and Vietnamese populations than it ever has. Soon white people will be in the minority.

Not that it has anything to do with this discussion but Buffalo, NY is a majority white city and has awful crime (as noted on the Forbes list another poster tried to use for race baiting) as do many other majority white cities such as Portsmouth, Ohio so again the race baiting theories hold no water.

[itsacoldplace]

Originally Posted by sfosyd

New York and Los Angeles have the largest sheer numbers of black people (#1 and #5 respectively). So if your race baiting theories hold, why are these cities so safe?

I find it hard to believe that you're making an honest argument when you're using such deceptive reasoning. NYC and LA are the largest cities in the country, so it's no surprise that they have large black populations, along with large populations of every other racial group. If you wanted to be honest, you'd say that LA's black population is below 10%, rather than "they have the 5th highest black population in the country". LA actually has a lower percentage of African Americans than the USA does as a whole.

Regarding NYC, you're generalizing about black populations as if they're all the same. A sizable portion of NYC's black population consists of immigrants and the descendants of recent immigrants... who nationally have significantly lower crime rates and higher education levels than the national African American average. Since when did one anecdote ("NYC has low crime") refute comprehensive national data about hundreds of cities anyway?

A protip: you're not going to win people over by grasping at straws and misusing statistics.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by AADAD

Gee. Who Knew?

Well, certainly not anyone who bothers to research their claims.

For example: Virginia Beach, VA - city of nearly 1/2 million. Triple the black population of San Diego's. Yet, bizarrely, 50% less crime. You can look this stuff up yourself, you know. (//www.city-data.com/city/Virgin...-Virginia.html)

But some people prefer to shoot their racial theories from the hip. As we see here in his thread. Problem with shooting from the hip is the high incidence of hitting oneself in the foot. Then of course jamming foot in mouth.

How many more examples would you like, AADAD?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by itsacoldplace

I find it hard to believe that you're making an honest argument when you're using such deceptive reasoning. NYC and LA are the largest cities in the country, so it's no surprise that they have large black populations, along with large populations of every other racial group. If you wanted to be honest, you'd say that LA's black population is below 10%, rather than "they have the 5th highest black population in the country". LA actually has a lower percentage of African Americans than the USA does as a whole.

Regarding NYC, you're generalizing about black populations as if they're all the same. A sizable portion of NYC's black population consists of immigrants and the descendants of recent immigrants... who nationally have significantly lower crime rates and higher education levels than the national African American average. Since when did one anecdote ("NYC has low crime") refute comprehensive national data about hundreds of cities anyway?

A protip: you're not going to win people over by grasping at straws and misusing statistics.

Pro-tip: Read my post above.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ColdNHot75

Based on this Forbes report the ten most dangerous cities in the America are majority black (except Stockton) so there is reason to believe that San Diego is safe because of the demographics. Even Atlanta which is supposed to be the black mecca for black professionals is ranked 6th.

Detroit - In Photos: The 10 Most Dangerous U.S. Cities - Forbes

You're catching all these latest developments, right?

[sfosyd]

Originally Posted by itsacoldplace

I find it hard to believe that you're making an honest argument when you're using such deceptive reasoning. NYC and LA are the largest cities in the country, so it's no surprise that they have large black populations, along with large populations of every other racial group. If you wanted to be honest, you'd say that LA's black population is below 10%, rather than "they have the 5th highest black population in the country". LA actually has a lower percentage of African Americans than the USA does as a whole.

The whole point of some of the posters in this thread is that black people are more predisposed to crime and because San Diego has a low population of black people is the reason it is safe. True, LA does have a smaller percentage of black people than some cities but that is not the focus of the discussion. There are more black people in Los Angeles than San Diego and it demolishes that race baiting theory that San Diego's crime rate is "special" because it has few black people. San Diego and Los Angeles are equally safe. I don't see how any of that is misusing the statistics?

Originally Posted by itsacoldplace

Regarding NYC, you're generalizing about black populations as if they're all the same. A sizable portion of NYC's black population consists of immigrants and the descendants of recent immigrants... who nationally have significantly lower crime rates and higher education levels than the national African American average. Since when did one anecdote ("NYC has low crime") refute comprehensive national data about hundreds of cities anyway?

Again, no discussion in this thread about education levels, income levels, African immigrants versus African Americans just merely the blanket, race baiting statement that black people are genetically more likely to commit crime and white folks should be careful around them. Sorry but I am going to refute that statement as it sounds like you would as well.

[P London]

Just reading through and someone caught my eye.

Originally Posted by phinneas j. whoopee

If I were in your position I would be lashing out too so I guess if I have a point its making lemonade out of lemons may be all you can do. Its an imperfect world and isnt likely to change much in our lifetimes. I cant justify prejudicial behavior but OTOH it would be disingenuous to expect police in a given area (or even I dare say the busybody George Zimmerman) to not tend to scrutinize people of certain ethnic and age groups based upon who was known to be committing crimes at the time. In the case of our FL vigilante the fact was Martin resembled kids who had been virtually terrorizing that block with daytime invasion robberies and it wasnt just skin color but age, the fact he was a stranger in a gated community, and the way he dressed. (Not condoning his provocative actions and we will never know who hit whom first just saying that incident was an example not of pure profiling but a person who at that time and place fit the description of known criminals)
So to take something constructive from that if police look at you merely for being black maybe they wouldnt think so much if you were in a suit not a hoodie. Or not doing any number of things they could mistake for criminal activity.

So to you Black people who wear hoodies are all potential criminals?

So what about if they're wearing a hoodie and are not acting suspiciously - that's what police do look for the suspicious looking people or are all Black people suspicious looking?

See the thing is targeting people within ethnicity is, racial stereotyping which INCREASES racial tensions between the predominately White police force and the Black community if they commit crime or not. So it seems you know little of society and history, the police are suppose to create a community that is safe (that means no racial tensions) for all.

In the UK the police stop and search Black youths in hoodies all the time while treating them like **** as they do that creates a divide.

[hitman619]

[AADAD]

FBI — Table 43

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by AADAD

FBI — Table 43

As previously pointed out to you by a dozen or so different respondents in this thread: statistics without analysis are useless. Now here you are posting the same stats as you did before - also without explanation of any point you wish to make with them.

Empty.

Void.

Meaningless.

And, no one argued with the stats anyway. Just your illogical implications earlier.

You have made statements, claims and accusations that have not stood up to analysis and logic. You have been unable to provide ANY supporting studies or investigative reporting or other analysis, whatsoever. All you do is refer back to statistical tables that no one disputes.