View Poll Results: who's to blame?
Chargers
9 37.50%
Joey Bosa (and his agent)
9 37.50%
Meh, I don't care
6 25.00%
08-26-2016, 04:40 PM
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Who's to blame in the San Diego Chargers and 3rd overall draft pick Joey Bosa rookie contract impasse?
08-26-2016, 05:11 PM
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The chargers releasing that statement came off as super unprofessional. I don't blame Bosa for trying to maximize his value.
08-26-2016, 05:19 PM
Location: San Diego
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How do these deals go down like they just met on a car lot? All of this should have been discussed like buying a car, research, in advance. There should be no surprises once you pick one. This has Eli written all over it again.
08-26-2016, 05:50 PM
Location: Poway
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^^^ The new CBA was supposed to fix that. Rookies and their agents generally know what to expect regarding compensation.wish
08-26-2016, 05:56 PM
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When Chargers offered 85 percent, that seemed very reasonable to me. Bosa's mother fired the first shot over the bow and it seemed obvious the family had discussed how JB didn't want to play here and how to get out of it. I think nothing the Chargers offered would make a difference . I think the Chargers know he doesn't want to spend 4 years here so why should they make any consessions. It's too bad because both sides lose. What's to stop another rookie from doing this when he gets picked by a team he doesn't like. It puts a big crack in the foundation of the whole draft system.
08-26-2016, 08:33 PM
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loveautumn
When Chargers offered 85 percent, that seemed very reasonable to me. Bosa's mother fired the first shot over the bow and it seemed obvious the family had discussed how JB didn't want to play here and how to get out of it. I think nothing the Chargers offered would make a difference . I think the Chargers know he doesn't want to spend 4 years here so why should they make any consessions. It's too bad because both sides lose. What's to stop another rookie from doing this when he gets picked by a team he doesn't like. It puts a big crack in the foundation of the whole draft system.
Not really. You draft in top 5 you pay the bonus upfront or you don't put offset language in the contract and you avoid this. They are the joke around the league. The Chargers have their own rules which include not making the playoffs, taking taxpayer and tourists dollars and being cheap and unreasonable when it comes to signing their guys.
He has asked for the bonus upfront and they low balled him beyond belief and wanted offset language. This got derailed with the first offer
08-26-2016, 09:43 PM
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It's my understanding that Both bonus and offset language are standard language in these contracts and that is where all the rookie contract negotiations begin, if there are any, which there haven't been any of any significance any more. There isn't much else to negotiate. Chargers made their first offer, JB agent declined it and then the Eli Manning comment was put out there and then things went south from there. Just my opinion but if that comment had not been made, situation wouldn't have escalated to where it is, it couldn't have set well with Charger management. I've been a Charger fan since 1977 and been thru all the ups and downs, losing seasons, loser coaches, bad firings, treating great players like dirt, bad trades, all of it, and I'm as fed up as everybody else. I wonder if the NFL will step in and get involved in this, because if JB goes back into the draft, I can't imagine that is something the NFL would want to have happen, it would be a first.
08-27-2016, 08:03 AM
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Both sides take some blame in this situation. The Chargers for digging in their heels on principle and the Bosa team for potentially giving up a season, over a relatively small amount of money. Not great optics for the Chargers who are asking the taxpayers to fork over a billion dollars, to blow a big deal for their top draft pick, over about a million dollars.
08-27-2016, 08:10 AM
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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Both sides take some blame in this situation. The Chargers for digging in their heels on principle and the Bosa team for potentially giving up a season, over a relatively small amount of money. Not great optics for the Chargers who are asking the taxpayers to fork over a billion dollars, to blow a big deal for their top draft pick, over about a million dollars.
Agreed that they are both to blame. That being said, I'm on the Chargers side on this one (and while I have sympathy for the Chargers, I'm a Steelers fan). Bosa will never get this money back if he skips this season on something that is so stupid - - he's cutting off his nose to spite his face.
08-27-2016, 11:17 AM
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It's my understanding that Both bonus and offset language are standard language in these contracts and that is where all the rookie contract negotiations begin, if there are any, which there haven't been any of any significance any more. There isn't much else to negotiate. Chargers made their first offer, JB agent declined it and then the Eli Manning comment was put out there and then things went south from there. Just my opinion but if that comment had not been made, situation wouldn't have escalated to where it is, it couldn't have set well with Charger management. I've been a Charger fan since 1977 and been thru all the ups and downs, losing seasons, loser coaches, bad firings, treating great players like dirt, bad trades, all of it, and I'm as fed up as everybody else. I wonder if the NFL will step in and get involved in this, because if JB goes back into the draft, I can't imagine that is something the NFL would want to have happen, it would be a first.
Since the new CBA has been in place every 3rd overall pick has had either the bonus at signing or no offset language. This is what Bosa has asked for...the same as every third pick since the new CBA has been in place.
I'm sure the players Union wont be too pleased if Bosa wilts to the Chargers demands. The folks that say just take the deal Bosa...aren't looking at this from the perspective that He's now apart of players union and there are new pressures with that. I feel bad that Bosa has to sign with a franchise like the Chargers.
The Chargers stance which anyone with half a brain can see through is they are giving Bosa the most money ever given to any pick...well no $h!t...you haven't taken anyone in the Top 5 in a long time. Part of stinking it up you get a top college football player the next year...you also have to pay that guy a little more as well. I don't get their stance and neither can other GMs in the NFL.
This is on the Chargers.
I also agree Bosa's Mom was out of line
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Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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