How affordable will the "affordable housing" actually be? (San Diego: apartments, for rent)

[1AngryTaxPayer]

https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/defau...pg.pdf?fref=gc


Probably more like

http://hallmarkcommunities.com/index...y-park?fref=gc

[sdlife619]

San Diegos housing crisis leads and forces developers to only build luxury housing for the upper middle class, so anything so called "affordable" is BS. San Diego is heading towards San Jose levels of housing insanity once more and more techies from the bay start moving to SD in the next couple of years as the amount of tech start ups start to increase in SD.

The SD housing shortage will never be fixed nor solved. With amount of people in need of places to live, it's going to be impossible to accommodate everyone therefore SD will always be very expensive and eventually only favor the wealthy leaving the middle class behind for good.

BTW not everybody wants to live in coffin sized apartments for the rest of their lives and still pay an insane monthly rate for rent. At least not me, give me a nice sized house with my own peace and quiet, away from any neighbors above me or next to me. With extra room to move around and have a protective place to park my car without worrying about somebody dinging it up or scratching it because the parking space is so damn tight in the majority of all these new condo developments. I'll take a house and a garage any day over an overpriced shoebox sized condo unit.

If you're one of the lucky few to own your own house, cherish it forever as those things will be worth a fortune in the coming decades as hardly any single family homes will be built for an affordable price. A house is slowly going be exclusive for only the well to do as it will be a premium to live in a house in CA, especially SD.

[kettlepot]

Originally Posted by sdlife619

If you're one of the lucky few to own your own house, cherish it forever as those things will be worth a fortune in the coming decades as hardly any single family homes will be built for an affordable price. A house is slowly going be exclusive for only the well to do as it will be a premium to live in a house in CA, especially SD.

This is a very true statement. The days of a middle class family being able to afford a single family home in coastal California, (0 - 10 miles inland in San Diego) are fast coming to a close. However, no one should be surprised by this. Affordable, single family homes disappeared from Manhattan 200 years ago, have disappeared from Brooklyn in the past generation, and are fading from the Bronx and Queens.

Coastal California land, they aren't making more of it, but the number of people who want to live on it increases. It's bound to appreciate, and there is nothing government can do about that. The only thing government can do is ensure apartments have adequate supporting public amenities. However, eliminating amenities is exactly the policy the City is pursuing.

I have family in the Central Valley. 20 years ago, I said to them our houses were worth about the same, but they had twice the house for the money. Now, while they still have twice the house, my house is worth twice what theirs is worth.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

I've noticed in that pdf affordable housing will be a mobile home park.

[NYSD1995]

Any initiative by the city or state to spur affordable housing development will result in slapshod, haphazard, cheaply constructed apartment density. Kettlepot mentioned NYC, when you see what affordable housing looks like in the outer boros, it is awful, cheap garbage, commonly known as "fedders buildings" due to their external AC units. That's what we are headed for if we let the city have it's way.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Fedd...w=1131&bih=667

[RosieSD]

Here's an important distinction between NYC/Brooklyn and San Diego. In the NY metro area, living your entire life in an apartment isn't all that uncommon.

But, here in Southern California, when people think of a "home" they are much more likely to think of a single family detached house with a private yard (even if it is a tiny one). People here don't picture themselves living in an apartment (even if they own it) for all of their lives, especially after they get married and have kids.

So, sure, build condos and town homes as "affordable" housing for people who can't buy otherwise.

But eventually most of the people who buy in (or rent) those units will want to move up to single family homes.

And, we'll still have a lack of affordable single family homes. So the cycle of frustration will continue.

[RosieSD]

There's also another critical difference between the NYC metro area and San Diego County, and that's the accessibility of public transportation (subways, rail lines, buses). People who want SFHs can buy in New Jersey or Northern Westchester or Long Island where prices are less than Manhattan and still get to work without sitting in traffic or driving their own cars.

Thinking out loud, but perhaps one necessary solution we need here is to extend the Trolley or a rail line out to parts of the county where land is still available for reasonable prices. Say, for instance, a commuter line to Campo. Because land is cheaper out there, developers could build single family homes that are actually affordable, and put in amenities (i.e., schools, shopping) that are lacking now. People might be willing to consider those areas as affordable options more readily if there was quick public transportation to job centers that didn't involve sitting in traffic.

And, I bet eventually, you'd see employers moving there as well once housing was available (Think of Ontario east of LA).

One thing is certain: close to the coast we don't have room for enough continued development to meet demand. But, we DO still have plenty of room in the eastern parts of the County. We just have to put what's needed out there to make it attractive to home buyers.

By the way, for those who haven't been to Campo in recent years, there's already a development of newer SFHs out there, where you can still buy a house for $300K or even less. The commute to downtown is no farther than the commute from Temecula. The weather is similar to Temecula too. But, what Campo lacks right now is the amenities -- shopping, parks, etc. And, a commuter rail would also add to the attraction.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by RosieSD

There's also another critical difference between the NYC metro area and San Diego County, and that's the accessibility of public transportation (subways, rail lines, buses). People who want SFHs can buy in New Jersey or Northern Westchester or Long Island where prices are less than Manhattan and still get to work without sitting in traffic or driving their own cars.

Thinking out loud, but perhaps one necessary solution we need here is to extend the Trolley or a rail line out to parts of the county where land is still available for reasonable prices. Say, for instance, a commuter line to Campo. Because land is cheaper out there, developers could build single family homes that are actually affordable, and put in amenities (i.e., schools, shopping) that are lacking now. People might be willing to consider those areas as affordable options more readily if there was quick public transportation to job centers that didn't involve sitting in traffic.

And, I bet eventually, you'd see employers moving there as well once housing was available (Think of Ontario east of LA).

One thing is certain: close to the coast we don't have room for enough continued development to meet demand. But, we DO still have plenty of room in the eastern parts of the County. We just have to put what's needed out there to make it attractive to home buyers.

By the way, for those who haven't been to Campo in recent years, there's already a development of newer SFHs out there, where you can still buy a house for $300K or even less. The commute to downtown is no farther than the commute from Temecula. The weather is similar to Temecula too. But, what Campo lacks right now is the amenities -- shopping, parks, etc. And, a commuter rail would also add to the attraction.

Ya, besides a couple small stores any actual groceries or what not is the Walmart in Lakeside or stores in Alpine.

[sdjimbob]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

I've noticed in that pdf affordable housing will be a mobile home park.

I read this differently, I read it as there's an existing park that they want to get rid of and put in mixed use?

[Brandon Graves]

I'm wondering, will it still be a lot cheaper more inland (e.g., Desert Area(s), Inland Empire, Central Valley, etc.)?