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SD is not LA or El Paso and that's a good thing in many ways. Its not SF and its a good thing in some ways. Does anyone remember the lesson many of us were taught growing up- be yourself. Haha.
The truth is SD City leaders haven't ventured out of the Tourism bubble. We have a local economy that makes its hay on out of state/out country visitors. We tried to pass a tax to levy on these visitors to build a stadium - it didn't go through of course. We cry and scream each year when Comic Con flexes its muscles and demands more from the city.
Unless/Until the city decides that it wants to diversify its offerings- things will not change.
SD will always have the workforce to support it (here now and will move here tomorrow)- if they decide that the city is made up more than just tourism.
Keeping folks in SD though is always a problem and Housing is hot button topic- but the focus is on tents and low income housing development.
I think many of us get so wrapped up in social issues and vote that way, but leadership in the city has to change we need pro-business savvy leaders and a new approach.
Last edited by eastcoastbias; 09-13-2018 at 09:12 AM..
I agree but the census is showing that since 2000 population growth has decreased. So I don't understand how traffic is getting worse if more people keep leaving. Maybe they are day visitors? Or maybe all the jobs are concentrated in select areas.
People are having more children and they are driving their 3/4 kids to two different schools. Tourists will always play a role (summer/weekends especially).
You are correct though we have job centers concentrated in some areas and not others.
But the big issues- Folks have to live further out because of housing costs. They want to buy homes but can only afford El Cajon or Alpine but have to travel downtown. Or they live in Escondido now and travel to Sorrento Valley.
The myth that San Diego's economy is somehow disproportionately made up of tourism is simply untrue.
Here is a comparison of the employment sector numbers from Jan 2016 from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. LA, SD, and SF all have a combination of Government, Professional Services, Trade/Transportation, and Education as the top 4 areas of employment.
San Diego Area
Data Series Jan* % of Total Jobs 2016
Total Nonfarm*(3) 1,393.50
Government*(3) 238.3 17.10%
Professional and Business Services*(3) 234.4 16.82%
Trade, Transportation, and Utilities*(3) 220.6 15.83%
Education and Health Services*(3) 196.3 14.09% Leisure and Hospitality*(3) 180.3 12.94%
Manufacturing*(3) 106.9 7.67%
Financial Activities*(3) 72.0 5.17%
Construction*(3) 69.4 4.98%
Other Services*(3) 51.4 3.69%
Information*(3) 23.5 1.69%
Mining and Logging*(3) 0.4 0.03%
Los Angeles Area
Data Series Jan* % of Total Jobs 2016
Total Nonfarm*(3) 5,834.70
Trade, Transportation, and Utilities*(3) 1,088.10 19.40%
Education and Health Services*(3) 957 .00 17.06%
Professional and Business Services*(3) 883.3 15.75%
Government*(3) 729.7 13.01% Leisure and Hospitality*(3) 691.8 12.33%
Manufacturing*(3) 508.4 9.06%
Financial Activities*(3) 331.1 5.90%
Information*(3) 224.1 3.99%
Other Services*(3) 196.6 3.50%
San Francisco Bay Area
Data Series Jan* % of Total Jobs 2016
Total Nonfarm*(3) 2,276.30
Professional and Business Services*(3) 469.5 21.72%
Trade, Transportation, and Utilities*(3) 374.2 17.31%
Education and Health Services*(3) 333.1 15.41%
Government*(3) 309.9 14.34% Leisure and Hospitality*(3) 253.1 11.71%
Financial Activities*(3) 128.6 5.95%
Manufacturing*(3) 126.2 5.84%
Information*(3) 85.8 3.97%
Other Services*(3) 81.4 3.77%
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To add, San Diego also has the 3rd largest concentration of Biotech jobs in the US, after LA (not surprising given the size of the area) and Boston.
ow some biotech numbers. Once again, SD punches above it's weight considering our population size.
Courtesy of sdurbanite
Last edited by spoonman1; 09-13-2018 at 10:41 AM..
The myth that San Diego's economy is somehow disproportionately made up of tourism is simply untrue.
Here is a comparison of the employment sector numbers from Jan 2016 from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. LA, SD, and SF all have a combination of Government, Professional Services, Trade/Transportation, and Education as the top 4 areas of employment.
San Diego Area
Data Series Jan* % of Total Jobs 2016
Total Nonfarm*(3) 1,393.50
Government*(3) 238.3 17.10%
Professional and Business Services*(3) 234.4 16.82%
Trade, Transportation, and Utilities*(3) 220.6 15.83%
Education and Health Services*(3) 196.3 14.09% Leisure and Hospitality*(3) 180.3 12.94%
Manufacturing*(3) 106.9 7.67%
Financial Activities*(3) 72.0 5.17%
Construction*(3) 69.4 4.98%
Other Services*(3) 51.4 3.69%
Information*(3) 23.5 1.69%
Mining and Logging*(3) 0.4 0.03%
Los Angeles Area
Data Series Jan* % of Total Jobs 2016
Total Nonfarm*(3) 5,834.70
Trade, Transportation, and Utilities*(3) 1,088.10 19.40%
Education and Health Services*(3) 957 .00 17.06%
Professional and Business Services*(3) 883.3 15.75%
Government*(3) 729.7 13.01% Leisure and Hospitality*(3) 691.8 12.33%
Manufacturing*(3) 508.4 9.06%
Financial Activities*(3) 331.1 5.90%
Information*(3) 224.1 3.99%
Other Services*(3) 196.6 3.50%
San Francisco Bay Area
Data Series Jan* % of Total Jobs 2016
Total Nonfarm*(3) 2,276.30
Professional and Business Services*(3) 469.5 21.72%
Trade, Transportation, and Utilities*(3) 374.2 17.31%
Education and Health Services*(3) 333.1 15.41%
Government*(3) 309.9 14.34% Leisure and Hospitality*(3) 253.1 11.71%
Financial Activities*(3) 128.6 5.95%
Manufacturing*(3) 126.2 5.84%
Information*(3) 85.8 3.97%
Other Services*(3) 81.4 3.77%
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To add, San Diego also has the 3rd largest concentration of Biotech jobs in the US, after LA (not surprising given the size of the area) and Boston.
ow some biotech numbers. Once again, SD punches above it's weight considering our population size.
Courtesy of sdurbanite
It is hardly a myth...
Top 3 Occupations in SD/Carlsbad Area (May 2017 BLS)
Total %Increase Employment # per 1000 jobs
Wrong again. The difference in occupations between San Diego and LA is nearly identical. This is from the BLS link you posted. I calculated the percentages based on the BLS numbers. Also worth noting that San Diego's Business & Financial, Management positions, and Sales & Related Operations numbers are higher than LA's.
Los Angeles Employment Annual Mean Wage % of Total Jobs
00-0000 All Occupations 4,430,840 $55,820
43-0000 Office and Administrative Support Occupations 711,000 $41,350 16.0% 41-0000 Sales and Related Occupations 426,620 $42,500 9.6% 35-0000 Food Preparation and Serving Related Occupations 410,070 $27,410 9.3%
53-0000 Transportation and Material Moving Occupations 324,250 $38,060 7.3%
39-0000 Personal Care and Service Occupations 293,160 $29,650 6.6%
25-0000 Education, Training, and Library Occupations 258,360 $67,450 5.8% 13-0000 Business and Financial Operations Occupations 253,570 $81,090 5.7%
51-0000 Production Occupations 246,840 $36,280 5.6% 11-0000 Management Occupations 237,560 $130,200 5.4%
29-0000 Healthcare Practitioners and Technical Occupations 221,580 $91,780 5.0%
39-9021 Personal Care Aides 189,810 $27,790 4.3%
San Diego Employment Annual Mean Wage % of Total Jobs
00-0000 All Occupations 1,433,340 $56,410
43-0000 Office and Administrative Support Occupations 213,340 $40,710 14.9% 35-0000 Food Preparation and Serving Related Occupations 153,540 $28,840 10.7% 41-0000 Sales and Related Occupations 142,090 $41,910 9.9%
25-0000 Education, Training, and Library Occupations 88,370 $61,610 6.2% 13-0000 Business and Financial Operations Occupations 87,590 $80,020 6.1% 11-0000 Management Occupations 83,420 $125,420 5.8%
29-0000 Healthcare Practitioners and Technical Occupations 72,020 $96,780 5.0%
53-0000 Transportation and Material Moving Occupations 69,430 $35,380 4.8%
39-0000 Personal Care and Service Occupations 67,080 $29,390 4.7%
51-0000 Production Occupations 65,180 $39,000 4.5%
47-0000 Construction and Extraction Occupations 61,410 $56,060 4.3%
I run into people I know all the time, if you've been here long enough and stayed mostly in central SD, that is common. SD felt really small in the 90's but it doesn't feel small anymore. Its a lot more busy and crowded and the competition for basic stuff is really high.
The economy is more diverse than it was and that's a good thing, but I still feel that our city leadership is too focused on tourism and not focused enough on sustainable economic development. My main challenge in SD has always been the job market, just hard to find good jobs with good companies... most employers in SD are smaller and can't really afford to pay the premium for good people.
I also feel that a lot of people here want SD to become a big cosmopolitan city with high density etc. It couldn't be farther away from what I want.
San Diego feels right for its size, a metro of 3.2 million about. Yeah it does't feel as big as SF and LA because its not.
Also SF is way closer to LA in importance and arguably more important at this point. LA is really underwhelming for a city its size as well as economically.
Wrong again. The difference in occupations between San Diego and LA is nearly identical. This is from the BLS link you posted. I calculated the percentages based on the BLS numbers. Also worth noting that San Diego's Business & Financial, Management positions, and Sales & Related Operations numbers are higher than LA's.
Los Angeles Employment Annual Mean Wage % of Total Jobs
00-0000 All Occupations 4,430,840 $55,820
43-0000 Office and Administrative Support Occupations 711,000 $41,350 16.0% 41-0000 Sales and Related Occupations 426,620 $42,500 9.6% 35-0000 Food Preparation and Serving Related Occupations 410,070 $27,410 9.3%
53-0000 Transportation and Material Moving Occupations 324,250 $38,060 7.3%
39-0000 Personal Care and Service Occupations 293,160 $29,650 6.6%
25-0000 Education, Training, and Library Occupations 258,360 $67,450 5.8% 13-0000 Business and Financial Operations Occupations 253,570 $81,090 5.7%
51-0000 Production Occupations 246,840 $36,280 5.6% 11-0000 Management Occupations 237,560 $130,200 5.4%
29-0000 Healthcare Practitioners and Technical Occupations 221,580 $91,780 5.0%
39-9021 Personal Care Aides 189,810 $27,790 4.3%
San Diego Employment Annual Mean Wage % of Total Jobs
00-0000 All Occupations 1,433,340 $56,410
43-0000 Office and Administrative Support Occupations 213,340 $40,710 14.9% 35-0000 Food Preparation and Serving Related Occupations 153,540 $28,840 10.7% 41-0000 Sales and Related Occupations 142,090 $41,910 9.9%
25-0000 Education, Training, and Library Occupations 88,370 $61,610 6.2% 13-0000 Business and Financial Operations Occupations 87,590 $80,020 6.1% 11-0000 Management Occupations 83,420 $125,420 5.8%
29-0000 Healthcare Practitioners and Technical Occupations 72,020 $96,780 5.0%
53-0000 Transportation and Material Moving Occupations 69,430 $35,380 4.8%
39-0000 Personal Care and Service Occupations 67,080 $29,390 4.7%
51-0000 Production Occupations 65,180 $39,000 4.5%
47-0000 Construction and Extraction Occupations 61,410 $56,060 4.3%
I run into people I know all the time, if you've been here long enough and stayed mostly in central SD, that is common. SD felt really small in the 90's but it doesn't feel small anymore. Its a lot more busy and crowded and the competition for basic stuff is really high.
The economy is more diverse than it was and that's a good thing, but I still feel that our city leadership is too focused ontourism and not focused enough on sustainable economic development. My main challenge in SD has always been the job market, just hard to find good jobs with good companies... most employers in SD are smaller and can't really afford to pay the premium for good people.
I also feel that a lot of people here want SD to become a big cosmopolitan city with high density etc. It couldn't be farther away from what I want.
Leaders are more focused than ever on a homeless problem too but you are absolutely correct here.
I'd say all over SD county its changed. North County you have communities that recently came about in the past 10-15 years 4S Ranch and San Elijo Hills, other areas that were in place long ago have been further developed like Carlsbad to the point where they had to rapidly build schools, same with Carmel Valley. South Bay too. It feels crowded because leaders had infrastructure planned and in place for 80s-90s growth level and didn't plan for this explosion of people. That and we develop and build (just look at downtown SD and the condo projects) yet we don't have a clue if we will fill these units or how people will get around if they decide to live here and leaders have no economic plan beyond feeding tourisms and making sure we have Comic Con each year.
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