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If you’re going to argue against another person’s real-world experience it doesn’t help your case to make up stuff.
Next time we pick up a fresh turd and syringe I will be sure to post pics of them here since some folks seem to find this impossible to believe. Better yet: PM me your address and I’ll send them to you. Thanks in advance.
I saw a syringe recently for the first time in San Diego. I was mortified. They're definitely out there. This was where I was living over by International Restaurant Row (Washington and San Diego Ave). It was just after a rain so I assume it washed out from someone's trash.
Homeless problem exploding all over the country and the reason we have seen increased homeless population is because the Fed created another housing bubble and home prices + rents are out of reach for many Americans. We have people who are working full time, some of them working two jobs and can’t afford to rent one small studio apartment. No real economic growth has been created since 2001, only blowing bubbles, stealing money from the future, from our kids and grandkids to pretend and lie that we are growing our economy, but in reality we have stolen and spent money from our kids and grandkids blowing up bobbles. We have bubbles in everything today because of insane and crazy Fed policy of low interest rates, ZIRP, QE and etc. As a presidential candidate Donald Trump was telling the truth about how our economy is in a big fat and ugly bubble and how he will drain the swamp, but as we can see today he wants our Fed Chairman Powell to do the same for him what Bernanke and Yellen did for Democrats and Obama. Keep low interest rates until I’m out of office so that I can continue manipulating masses and telling them how everything is great, how our economy is strong and healthy...bla bla bla.
Ask yourself this simple question.....if our economy has been growing healthy since 2009 then how come homeless population has increased, doubled or tripled all over the country????? It’s because our real economy has been dead since 2001 and our leaders have been lying to us, spending money stolen from our kids and grandkids, spending money from the future and creating the biggest bubble in the history of the world!!!!!
Wake Up Folks!!!!
I do agree that the economy has not been the same since 2001, but I don't think the entire homeless problem in California is due to housing costs. Probably some of it for sure, but much of it is due to AB 109, Prop 47 and 57. There are still cheap places to live away from the coasts. The further you go, the cheaper gets.
Pretty sure you enjoy arguing against the obvious but I’ll play
It’s my company and my employees get paid to execute my will. Just like the product “we” manufacture, all of their tasks that benefit the company are directed by management. Unfortunately picking up crap and syringes is part of that.
I do agree with another poster; there is certainly a big difference between a temporarily homeless person who is attempting to improve their situation and the guano-crazy, drug abusing miscreants who choose to take a dump in our driveway.
I say lock em up til they’re clean and then get them the help they need.
I didn’t dispute the generic, generalized use of the pronoun (we). I was simply making a separate observation, playing off your generic use.
That clarified, you can say “lock em up ...” all you want. But if they haven’t broken any laws, ‘you’ / ‘we’ / ‘they’ can’t “lock em up”. And if you want to argue that ‘they’ should be locked up for every little misdemeanor and regulatory infraction such as: littering, relieving themselves in public, camping on the sidewalk, jaywalking, whatever ... you will need to hire a huge number more police, processing clerks, corrections personnel, medical personnel (to treat those in custody, as law requires), maintenance workers, public defenders, judges .... and build more facilities to house ‘them’ by the thousands ... only to have ‘them’ released in hours or a day or two. Because those are the laws that conform to our constitutional guarantees.
And, by the way: forced treatment just about never works ... you can look that up.
I didn’t dispute the generic, generalized use of the pronoun (we). I was simply making a separate observation, playing off your generic use.
That clarified, you can say “lock em up ...” all you want. But if they haven’t broken any laws, ‘you’ / ‘we’ / ‘they’ can’t “lock em up”. And if you want to argue that ‘they’ should be locked up for every little misdemeanor and regulatory infraction such as: littering, relieving themselves in public, camping on the sidewalk, jaywalking, whatever ... you will need to hire a huge number more police, processing clerks, corrections personnel, medical personnel (to treat those in custody, as law requires), maintenance workers, public defenders, judges .... and build more facilities to house ‘them’ by the thousands ... only to have ‘them’ released in hours or a day or two. Because those are the laws that conform to our constitutional guarantees.
And, by the way: forced treatment just about never works ... you can look that up.
Well, this is the problem. Forced treatment is a temporary fix at best, but not forcing people into treatment means they stay on the street. Addicts and mentally ill people can't help themselves, so forcing them into treatment or social services is the most humane thing to do. We can't let people rot on the streets, unable to help themselves. What other options might you think of, and why do you think they haven't been effectively implemented?
Homeless problem exploding all over the country and the reason we have seen increased homeless population is because the Fed created another housing bubble and home prices + rents are out of reach for many Americans. We have people who are working full time, some of them working two jobs and can’t afford to rent one small studio apartment. No real economic growth has been created since 2001, only blowing bubbles, stealing money from the future, from our kids and grandkids to pretend and lie that we are growing our economy, but in reality we have stolen and spent money from our kids and grandkids blowing up bobbles. We have bubbles in everything today because of insane and crazy Fed policy of low interest rates, ZIRP, QE and etc. As a presidential candidate Donald Trump was telling the truth about how our economy is in a big fat and ugly bubble and how he will drain the swamp, but as we can see today he wants our Fed Chairman Powell to do the same for him what Bernanke and Yellen did for Democrats and Obama. Keep low interest rates until I’m out of office so that I can continue manipulating masses and telling them how everything is great, how our economy is strong and healthy...bla bla bla.
Ask yourself this simple question.....if our economy has been growing healthy since 2009 then how come homeless population has increased, doubled or tripled all over the country????? It’s because our real economy has been dead since 2001 and our leaders have been lying to us, spending money stolen from our kids and grandkids, spending money from the future and creating the biggest bubble in the history of the world!!!!!
Wake Up Folks!!!!
A recent article in the Union Tribune talks about those reasons. But IMO, the idea that people would live on the street because they can't afford rent is ludicrous. Low wage jobs are plentiful all over the country, and you could live on one in many other areas. Who in their right mind would rather live on the street in California than live in an apartment in another state?
Observe the people living on the street and consider if they are really just regular people with jobs who can't pay rent. Almost all of the homeless seem dazed or angry, i.e. Addicted or mentally ill. I saw several homeless in Hillcrest yesterday, taking swigs of cheap liquor from the bottle. Others were completely passed out. Trust me, they were not battling housing costs. They need help on a personal level to get out of this.
A recent article in the Union Tribune talks about those reasons. But IMO, the idea that people would live on the street because they can't afford rent is ludicrous. Low wage jobs are plentiful all over the country, and you could live on one in many other areas. Who in their right mind would rather live on the street in California than live in an apartment in another state?
Observe the people living on the street and consider if they are really just regular people with jobs who can't pay rent. Almost all of the homeless seem dazed or angry, i.e. Addicted or mentally ill. I saw several homeless in Hillcrest yesterday, taking swigs of cheap liquor from the bottle. Others were completely passed out. Trust me, they were not battling housing costs. They need help on a personal level to get out of this.
Agreed here.
You have chronic homeless and others that are in between homes that may have suffered a temporary or short term financial set back.
Someone with a short term financial problem may just need help with security deposit or monetary help between jobs or help with bills in the short term. Ultimately, the person/family has to decide if the job market and housing situation here is conducive to maintaining a living or if they should just leave for a lower cost of living area. Truthfully, folks here should be steered/counseled to other locales or at the very least work make a concerted effort on job training to make them competitive here. Even as a fiscal conservative- Throwing money and housing into the equation here can really make an impact. Right now we have an affordable housing shortage and you have many communities saying not in my backyard.
What we often see on our streets is the opposite of what is described above. Help IMO should come in other forms with this group. Giving someone that is chronically homeless four walls and roof is not helping nor is it cost effective for taxpayers and its truly not getting to the root of issues. While the city is dealing with this in some good ways bathrooms, tents, wash stations, spraying streets. There is no long term approach here.
The problems and solutions in this arena are not one size fits all. Ultimately the segment of the public that is back and forth (may have job skills) but may not be doing well here and are homeless and not homeless and go back and forth here need to decide if high cost of living areas are practical.
Well, this is the problem. Forced treatment is a temporary fix at best, but not forcing people into treatment means they stay on the street. Addicts and mentally ill people can't help themselves, so forcing them into treatment or social services is the most humane thing to do. We can't let people rot on the streets, unable to help themselves. What other options might you think of, and why do you think they haven't been effectively implemented?
It’s a dismal reality, for sure. Any way you look at it. But here’s the thing: as I respond mostly in these forums to the issues of homelessness quite a number of readers assume I am a “bleeding heart liberal” (and attack me for their assumption) ... truth is I have some generalized compassion, yes ... but, the burden on society as a whole is huge. THAT is, and rightly has to be, the overriding consideration in creating solutions.
This is not about political ideologies.
Forced treatment is 99% worthless. Terribly expensive. Total waste of time and resources. All things considered, people who have fallen into alcohol and drug abuse deserve the option of cleaning up their act. It happens for a few. But only when the rare individual comes to it on their own, wanting to escape their hell.
The best path is straightforward management. House the chronics. Get them off the street and out of society’s way. Minimally. No need or point to anything more than a simple, small room with a lock on the door, a mattress, access to sink and toilet and shower (shared is fine). Minimal nutrition made available (oatmeal, rice, beans, eggs, soup, bread, etc. for maybe two basic meals a day) . ...... AND a supervisory staff that has a chart of any diagnoses and related medications.
This is the Housing First concept. It works in programs operating in many cities across the nation. It saves typically between 1/3 and 2/3s of the average maintenance costs for chronic homeless (law enforcement, emergency medical, sanitation). It is gaining momentum. No requirements for sobriety. If the ‘clients’ want to drink or drug themselves - even to death - in their little room, so be it. Counseling and treatment services are available on request only.
When there is a room with a lock, and no preconditions, nearly all homeless offered this privacy come in off the street. First stage mission accomplished.
As there is some basic medical observation ongoing (the ‘clients’ are under some brief, daily observation) most [incredibly expensive] emergency medical interventions cease.
With basic sanitation (toilets) and survival food available, much petty crime and filth goes away.
If they die ... they die. But they die by their own sad path without dragging the rest of us through their muck. Sad. Reality can be like that.
Large tents with cubicles will do. Apartments not required. Those who DO choose a path forward (which does happen to a noticeable % of formerly “hopeless” homeless once the pressure of privacy, a little security for their few possessions, basic sanitation, and a bite to eat each day that doesn’t have to be begged or stolen are in place some DO turn to the counseling and treatments available.
Those few who “graduate” out of the basic survival venue can then be considered for rehabilitation and support for employment and housing.
A recent article in the Union Tribune talks about those reasons. But IMO, the idea that people would live on the street because they can't afford rent is ludicrous. Low wage jobs are plentiful all over the country, and you could live on one in many other areas. Who in their right mind would rather live on the street in California than live in an apartment in another state?
Observe the people living on the street and consider if they are really just regular people with jobs who can't pay rent. Almost all of the homeless seem dazed or angry, i.e. Addicted or mentally ill. I saw several homeless in Hillcrest yesterday, taking swigs of cheap liquor from the bottle. Others were completely passed out. Trust me, they were not battling housing costs. They need help on a personal level to get out of this.
“Seem”, but not true. The vast majority of homeless - approx 75% - are homeless for less than a year. 2 months is close to average. The reason it “seems” as though “most” are mentally ill and or addicts is because those persons are so miserably visible. That said, even among the chronic, quite a number are not looney tunes or junkies.
There ARE thousands of homeless who are living in vehicles, many working full or part time ... and, yeah, can’t pay the freight: rent, food, transportation, medications. And no, they can’t simply up and leave for cheaper COL. This is their home. Near 90% of them have lived many years where they are now homeless.
Consider these points when pondering solutions that urge / demand relocation:
Most homeless don’t want to leave what they consider home turf. The majority hope for reintegration and value familiar streets, friends, family, past relationships of all kinds, medical services they are established with and know, ... right down to bus routes. For most, home is where they have always or long known ... or came to with a desire for the locale. They do not want to leave.
For the severely mentally ill, psychotics, schizophrenics, and other delusional disorders, well, they really aren’t hardly aware of where they are compared to other places ... “places”, geographically speaking, mean pretty much zip. They can’t plan their way from one bite of a discarded sandwich to the crust.
Severe alcoholics aren’t concerned with much other than how much is left in this afternoon’s bottle and where’s the next one.
Junkies and meth heads don’t want to leave their supply network for even a day. Traveling is a threat to most.
Thieves? Yeah, they move around.
Just plain lazy bums, young or old? Sure, some of those shift around too. They’ve always existed: hobos, bums, tramps, whatever you want to call them.
This sad world is extensively studied since many years past. Lots of research from universities, foundations, local and national governments, Veteran’s Administration.
As with most things, once you crawl inside the belly of the beast you find simplicity and reductionism are not applicable.
“Seem”, but not true. The vast majority of homeless - approx 75% - are homeless for less than a year. 2 months is close to average. The reason it “seems” as though “most” are mentally ill and or addicts is because those persons are so miserably visible. That said, even among the chronic, quite a number are not looney tunes or junkies.
There ARE thousands of homeless who are living in vehicles, many working full or part time ... and, yeah, can’t pay the freight: rent, food, transportation, medications. And no, they can’t simply up and leave for cheaper COL. This is their home. Near 90% of them have lived many years where they are now homeless.
Consider these points when pondering solutions that urge / demand relocation:
Most homeless don’t want to leave what they consider home turf. The majority hope for reintegration and value familiar streets, friends, family, past relationships of all kinds, medical services they are established with and know, ... right down to bus routes. For most, home is where they have always or long known ... or came to with a desire for the locale. They do not want to leave.
For the severely mentally ill, psychotics, schizophrenics, and other delusional disorders, well, they really aren’t hardly aware of where they are compared to other places ... “places”, geographically speaking, mean pretty much zip. They can’t plan their way from one bite of a discarded sandwich to the crust.
Severe alcoholics aren’t concerned with much other than how much is left in this afternoon’s bottle and where’s the next one.
Junkies and meth heads don’t want to leave their supply network for even a day. Traveling is a threat to most.
Thieves? Yeah, they move around.
Just plain lazy bums, young or old? Sure, some of those shift around too. They’ve always existed: hobos, bums, tramps, whatever you want to call them.
This sad world is extensively studied since many years past. Lots of research from universities, foundations, local and national governments, Veteran’s Administration.
As with most things, once you crawl inside the belly of the beast you find simplicity and reductionism are not applicable.
I get it people don’t want to leave San Diego. But people leave all the time because they can’t afford to maintain a desired lifestyle for their family. That’s life. I’m Hopefully not coming off cold. I visited Hawaii years ago man if I could pursue my career there and move my family there I’d do it, I can’t do it so why make a tax base support me- when my family can do well here.
Our policies make it all too easy with all these “safety nets” that are funded by now shrinking segment of the population (actual taxpayers and earners) that support these lofty ideas and programs.
Like i mentioned before, the homeless population was very small here in San Diego County till around the early 80's. That was about the time Crack Cocaine and Heroin flooded the streets here. But that was not the worst of it. When Meth hit the East And North County in around 1986-87 the homeless population exploded imo.
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