Whats the future for SAN, would San Diego build a new International Airport in the near future? (Los Angeles: rent, house)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

Not only Pittsburg, so is Portland Oregon and Spokane Washington. These cities and their surrounding metro areas are a tiny fraction of the size of City and County of San Diego, Tijuana and its surrounding metro area.
Yet their airports have at least three large runways if not four.

If San Diego-Tijuana builds a large joint International airport it could alleviate traffic dramatically in LAX which is often the only choice for many destinations particularly International overseas destinations for pretty much all of SoCal and Baja California North.

I can imagine a plane crash or other runway issue could render a single runway airport out of service for many days which would have a devastating effect. The crash of Asiana Flight 214 had shut down the SFO's runway which it crashed on for six days. The unaffected runways were however reopened by the next day.

Who cares if other smaller, slower growing cities have 4 ... or 15 for that matter ... runways. SD has, unfortunately, managed to growth steadily with one.

And why would we care about “alleviating LAX” air traffic?

And why would you spend your time imagining disasters that might never happen more likely than will? Sh*t happens ... then deal with it. Potential one time occurrence is worth a multi-billions of dollars disruptive 10 year project?

And what is your obsession with perpetual growth anyway?

“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell.” - Edward Abbey

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Who cares if other smaller, slower growing cities have 4 ... or 15 for that matter ... runways. SD has, unfortunately, managed to growth steadily with one.

And why would we care about “alleviating LAX” air traffic?

And why would you spend your time imagining disasters that might never happen more likely than will? Sh*t happens ... then deal with it. Potential one time occurrence is worth a multi-billions of dollars disruptive 10 year project?

And what is your obsession with perpetual growth anyway?

“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell.” - Edward Abbey

Because San Diego is part of the same darn region.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Because San Diego is part of the same darn region.

So what? How does alleviating LAX traffic serve SD?

[citizensadvocate]

So San Diego and some Orange county folks don't have to get stuck in traffic for hours to drive to LAX for their flights. And we have more choices in schedules to certain destinations.

Nowadays for many International flights and some domestic flights an multi hour journey to LAX is a necessary evil as International flights are pretty limited from SAN and other non LAX airports in SoCal.

I don't know who was supposed to fund HSR in SoCal but doesn't it sound like a better way to use the funds in addition to having a regional express rail link between such an airport and the city. Best being able to link to LAX door to door within 2 hours.

[tstieber]

[quote=malcorub16;54523996]According to IFLY.COM, here is a list of all 42 direct flights from CRG MCCLELLAN-PALOMAR AIRPORT in Carlsbad ordered least to greatest distance wise. There is one international destination to Mexico.

I don't have much experience with this airport other than a flight on a smaller plane a few years back that took us to LAX to transfer. I am surprised it goes to so many destinations.

Country Airport Distance Time Price Range
US Palm Springs (PSP) 65 miles 0:7 - 0:8 hrs $13 - $58
US Los Angeles (LAX) 86 miles 0:9 - 0:10 hrs $17 - $77
US Burbank Bob Hope (BUR) 96 miles 0:10 - 0:12 hrs $19 - $86
US Santa Barbara Muni (SBA) 172 miles 0:18 - 0:21 hrs $34 - $154
US Bakersfield Meadows Field (BFL) 189 miles 0:20 - 0:23 hrs $37 - $170
US Las Vegas McCarran (LAS) 237 miles 0:25 - 0:29 hrs $47 - $213
US Phoenix Sky Harbor (PHX) 305 miles 0:32 - 0:38 hrs $61 - $274
US PhxMesa Gateway (AZA) 324 miles 0:34 - 0:40 hrs $64 - $291
US Monterey Peninsula (MRY) 352 miles 0:37 - 0:43 hrs $70 - $316
US San Jose Mineta (SJC) 393 miles 0:42 - 0:49 hrs $78 - $353
US Metropolitan Oakland (OAK) 421 miles 0:45 - 0:52 hrs $84 - $378
US San Francisco (SFO) 423 miles 0:45 - 0:52 hrs $84 - $380
US Sacramento (SMF) 454 miles 0:48 - 0:57 hrs $90 - $408
US Reno Tahoe (RNO) 462 miles 0:49 - 0:57 hrs $92 - $415
US Salt Lake City (SLC) 604 miles 1:4 - 1:15 hrs $120 - $543
US Rogue Valley Medford (MFR) 707 miles 1:15 - 1:28 hrs $141 - $636
Mexico Los Cabos International (SJD) 828 miles 1:28 - 1:43 hrs $165 - $745
US Portland (PDX) 906 miles 1:37 - 1:53 hrs $181 - $815
US Seattle Tacoma (SEA) 1023 miles 1:49 - 2:7 hrs $204 - $920
US San Antonio (SAT) 1135 miles 2:1 - 2:21 hrs $227 - $1021
US Austin Bergstrom (AUS) 1169 miles 2:5 - 2:26 hrs $233 - $1052
US Dallas Love Field (DAL) 1170 miles 2:5 - 2:26 hrs $234 - $1053
US Dallas Fort Worth (DFW) 1170 miles 2:5 - 2:26 hrs $234 - $1053
US Houston Hobby (HOU) 1317 miles 2:21 - 2:44 hrs $263 - $1185
US Lambert St Louis (STL) 1548 miles 2:45 - 3:13 hrs $309 - $1393
US New Orleans Louis Armstrong (MSY) 1601 miles 2:51 - 3:20 hrs $320 - $1440
US Chicago Midway (MDW) 1717 miles 3:4 - 3:34 hrs $343 - $1545
US Nashville (BNA) 1745 miles 3:7 - 3:38 hrs $349 - $1570
US Birmingham Shuttlesworth (BHM) 1756 miles 3:8 - 3:39 hrs $351 - $1580
US Indianapolis (IND) 1772 miles 3:9 - 3:41 hrs $354 - $1594
US Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta (ATL) 1887 miles 3:22 - 3:55 hrs $377 - $1698
US Asheville Regional (AVL) 1980 miles 3:32 - 4:7 hrs $396 - $1782
US Cleveland Hopkins (CLE) 2015 miles 3:36 - 4:12 hrs $403 - $1813
US Charlotte Douglas (CLT) 2071 miles 3:42 - 4:18 hrs $414 - $1863
US Orlando (MCO) 2148 miles 3:50 - 4:28 hrs $429 - $1933
US Washington Dulles (IAD) 2243 miles 4:0 - 4:40 hrs $448 - $2018
US Wilkes-Barre Scranton (AVP) 2332 miles 4:9 - 4:51 hrs $466 - $2098
US Philadelphia (PHL) 2358 miles 4:12 - 4:54 hrs $471 - $2122
US Maui Kahului (OGG) 2538 miles 4:31 - 5:17 hrs $507 - $2284
US Boston Logan (BOS) 2573 miles 4:35 - 5:21 hrs $514 - $2315
US Honolulu (HNL) 2609 miles 4:39 - 5:26 hrs $521 - $2348[/QUOTE

Keep in mind that direct flights are not the same as nonstop. The small planes leaving Carlsbad could never cross the ocean all the way to Hawaii. It merely means that a flight number originates in Carlsbad and continues all the way to the end destination, even if there is a stop over. As far as Lindbergh Field, the only International nonstop flights go to Tokyo, London, Frankfurt, and Zurich at this time.

[tstieber]

Originally Posted by malcorub16

As I sat at the Otay Border last night for a couple of hours (it was so slow!!!) I noticed how much slower the air traffic is coming into TIJ versus SAN, at SAN it feels like a plane lands every 2-3 minutes where as at TIJ is felt like every 15-20 minutes. I wonder if more US destinations could be added to TIJ being that the runway is not as busy as SAN, surely I am not the only one to have this thought. Notice that flight to San Jose, might it be cheaper to fly to San Jose, CA out of TIJ versus SAN?

It would likely be more expensive to fly to San Jose, California, out of Tijuana than from Lindbergh Field, because it would suddenly become an international flight. There would be additional fees added on, plus you would have to go through customs and all that headache just for a one-hour fight. Add to that the extra time it takes to get to Tijuana Airport and the earlier check-in times for international flights, and all of sudden that quick hop up the coast becomes a half-day ordeal.

If you fly Southwest Airlines from SAN to San Jose, you can get deals outside of peak times as low as $39 or $49 one way when there are sales, and $59 to $79 one way pretty much all the time. The high end of that price range is for certain airlines, most likely first class, and last minute.

[citizensadvocate]

Interesting so many flights already from Carlsbad, yet the new startup airline California Pacific airlines failed.

I don't think TIJ(Which 9 out of 10 flights there are Mexican Domestic flights) can expand any farther to more routes particularly overseas routes.
Therefore it makes sense should Browns Municipal airport get expanded to an international airport down to XborderXpress therefore passengers from Tijuana or other parts of Mexico would be able to access US bound flights without taking a long shuttle ride as well as overseas flights without crossing the border to SAN or LAX. And vice versa for passengers coming in from other parts of US or the world and headed towards Mexico or Latin America, thus making San Diego a much better stopover city for SoCal tourism.

At least so TIJ passengers could simply park at TIJ and walk across XborderXpress to fly to SJC(CA), or SFO. Rather than have to make their way to SAN to do so for a lower price or make with taking the very few higher priced International flight from TIJ.

[sprez33]

2018 was a record year for SAN.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...228-story.html

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

So San Diego and some Orange county folks don't have to get stuck in traffic for hours to drive to LAX for their flights. And we have more choices in schedules to certain destinations.

Nowadays for many International flights and some domestic flights an multi hour journey to LAX is a necessary evil as International flights are pretty limited from SAN and other non LAX airports in SoCal.

I don't know who was supposed to fund HSR in SoCal but doesn't it sound like a better way to use the funds in addition to having a regional express rail link between such an airport and the city. Best being able to link to LAX door to door within 2 hours.

I travel internationally (Europe usually) at least twice a year. I take Prime Time Shuttle since I am gone for a few weeks each time and don't want to pay for parking at LAX. Try it.

To my knowledge, San Diego is not a viable choice for travelling to places like Germany, Denmark, and Italy, etc. It does go to the UK, but I find much better prices from LAX with many more choices so I can go business class.

[Losfrisco]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

I travel internationally (Europe usually) at least twice a year. I take Prime Time Shuttle since I am gone for a few weeks each time and don't want to pay for parking at LAX. Try it.

To my knowledge, San Diego is not a viable choice for travelling to places like Germany, Denmark, and Italy, etc. It does go to the UK, but I find much better prices from LAX with many more choices so I can go business class.

The San Diego airport is good for taking Alaska Airlines up the coast to Seattle, SF, or Portland.

It's not just smaller markets that SAN has inadequate service to-I talked to a guy the other day who drives to LAX to fly to NYC.

Which is embarrassing for an airport serving a 3.3 million metro-people driving two hours to take basic flights to basic destinations.