COVID-19 Thread San Diego (Beverly Hills: sell, center, between)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by joosoon

You asked someone what the FBI said was the #1 danger. The links I posted, directly to the FBI, don't indicate anything you're claiming. That's why I asked.

The links are many. From many sources.

From the FBI director's mouth (Christopher Wray):

Fact-check: Did the FBI director warn about white supremacist violence?

The president’s own FBI director said that the greatest domestic terrorist threat is white supremacists.

PolitiFact’s ruling: True

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FBI director Christopher Wray singled outwhite supremacists during a Sept. 17 House Homeland Security committee hearing.

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During the hearing, Wray testified broadly about the FBI’s investigation of terrorism threats and security issues and answered questions about antifa, Black Lives Matter and white supremacists.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20201...acist-violence

From a congressional bill:

This Act may be cited as the “Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act of 2019”.
SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress finds the following:

(1) White supremacists and other far-right-wing extremists are the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States.

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s...-116s894is.xml

From CSIS:

The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States ...

... this analysis compiles and analyzes an original data set of 893 terrorist plots and attacks in the United States between January 1994 and May 2020.

This analysis makes several arguments. First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda.Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escala...-united-states

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Mike930

Yup. Just another of a long line of people who are so blinded by hatred for Trump, they can’t accept reality.

Reality, Mike, is what I just posted from the mouth of the FBI director, from Congress, and from the Center for Strategic and International Studies. The scholarly, academic and law enforcement analysis of this truth is multifold and deep.

And who suborns this right-wing zealotry? Biden or Trump?

[bloom]

let's make a distinction between the most wanted terrorist Individuals (al queda cells - remember them) versus the greatest terrorist threat Groups, the latter is inclusive of trump's standing by pride boys, klan (daddy racist freddie trump a member), and other of trump's fine people of charlottesville

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Mike930

Highly doubtful and if anything, not to the extent BLM has done this year. The businesses around the country aren’t boarding up because they’re scared of rouge Republicans. It’s the left and BLM that destroy everything.

Originally Posted by Mike930

You really have no objectivity in this area. I understand you hate Trump, but the majority of the rioting, looting, violence, destroying statues, destroying and defacing monuments have been at the hands of the left and BLM.

If you can’t see that, there’s really nothing more to say.

What a perfect day for this story to pop up on the news feeds, eh? (this link from a conservative source):
Jewish cemetery desecrated with 'Trump' spray paint
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...mp-spray-paint

[Tulemutt]

Right. Ummm, actually: far right.
I just remembered this guy as well:

Mystery 'Umbrella Man' Vandal From Minnesota: Police Say He’s A White Supremacist Instigator

TOPLINE A man dressed in black, carrying an umbrella and captured on video breaking the windows of a Minneapolis AutoZone during the early days of the George Floyd protests is suspected to be a white supremacist by Minneapolis police, who also blame the mystery figure for sparking the city’s riots, saying in an affidavit that “[u]ntil the actions of ... ‘Umbrella man,’ the protests had been relatively peaceful,” according to a report in the Star Tribune.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattper...h=5fa54e9e48ee

I could go on at greater length ... but I’ll guess my point has been made now?

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

What a perfect day for this story to pop up on the news feeds, eh? (this link from a conservative source):
Jewish cemetery desecrated with 'Trump' spray paint
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...mp-spray-paint

LOL, so what? Like BLM hasn’t destroyed or desecrated anything? Maybe you should ask the business owners who are boarding their stores up who they fear instead of spreading your own inaccurate assessments of who the real threat is.

Here’s a small sample of the BLM/left handiwork.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wus...6-8a48120f5931

https://www.google.com/amp/www.thear...in-us-protests

https://www.google.com/amp/s/foxbalt...f-civil-unrest

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wba...-park/32936474

https://news.wttw.com/2020/06/15/chr...alized-chicago

[Finper]

Originally Posted by Mike930

LOL, so what? Like BLM hasn’t destroyed or desecrated anything? Maybe you should ask the business owners who they fear instead of spreading your own conspiracy theories.

Here’s a small sample of the BLM/left handiwork.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wus...6-8a48120f5931

https://www.google.com/amp/www.thear...in-us-protests

https://www.google.com/amp/s/foxbalt...f-civil-unrest

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wba...-park/32936474

https://news.wttw.com/2020/06/15/chr...alized-chicago

Beverly Hills is boarded up like a hurricane is coming and they have SWAT patrolling the city. Like you said I’m sure they’re not worried about a Trump parade.

[bloom]

" This morning, FBI arrested Timothy Watson, a purported boogaloo member for selling “portable wall hangers” which can be converted to make a gun automatic. According to docs, he has sold to a number of Boogaloo members including one who shot and killed law enforcement"

"DHS assessed white supremacist extremists to be the most persistent and lethal threat," states US Army intel report on election threats"

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Mike930

LOL, so what? Like BLM hasn’t destroyed or desecrated anything? Maybe you should ask the business owners who are boarding their stores up who they fear instead of spreading your own inaccurate assessments of who the real threat is.

Here’s a small sample of the BLM/left handiwork.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wus...6-8a48120f5931

https://www.google.com/amp/www.thear...in-us-protests

https://www.google.com/amp/s/foxbalt...f-civil-unrest

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wba...-park/32936474

https://news.wttw.com/2020/06/15/chr...alized-chicago

Lol is right Mike ... come on man, I never said or suggested anything like “BLM never destroyed or desecrated anything.” In fact, I owned just the opposite. And talk about not having objectivity, you just blew right past the proofs I provided that right-wing extremists are not only doing dirty deeds as well, but are THE greatest terrorist threat in the country.

You want me to match lists of links to events with you, right vs left? We can both go all day. Did you miss that “the majority of 893 terrorist plots and attacks” in America were right wing extremists as identified in the linked quote from CSIS I provided? The “majority of 893” stories of destruction / thwarted plans for destruction that I could list. And that “Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.”

The point wasn’t to challenge you tit for tat. The point was to demonstrate that your obsession with BLM / leftist activities has clouded YOUR objectivity. I also have great dislike for ALL manner of publicly disruptive protests, including BLM. I find ALL of it to be self-defeating. And that includes these “Trump train” caravans that have been rolling through towns and cities everywhere. But trying to focus solely on “BLM / Leftists” is disingenuous as hell.

Crazy zealots are crazy zealots ... of all stripes and ideologies.

I like you Mike. Enjoy lots of your posts. Agree with you on many topics. Respect your ‘Independent’ with conservative leanings choice. But I find your anger at BLM / Leftists to be clouding the objectivity you often apply toward other issues.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Lol is right Mike ... come on man, I never said or suggested anything like “BLM never destroyed or desecrated anything.” In fact, I owned just the opposite. And talk about not having objectivity, you just blew right past the proofs I provided that right-wing extremists are not only doing dirty deeds as well, but are THE greatest terrorist threat in the country.

You want me to match lists of links to events with you, right vs left? We can both go all day. Did you miss that “the majority of 893 terrorist plots and attacks” in America were right wing extremists as identified in the linked quote from CSIS I provided? The “majority of 893” stories of destruction / thwarted plans for destruction that I could list. And that “Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.”

The point wasn’t to challenge you tit for tat. The point was to demonstrate that your obsession with BLM / leftist activities has clouded YOUR objectivity. I also have great dislike for ALL manner of publicly disruptive protests, including BLM. I find ALL of it to be self-defeating. And that includes these “Trump train” caravans that have been rolling through towns and cities everywhere. But trying to focus solely on “BLM / Leftists” is disingenuous as hell.

Crazy zealots are crazy zealots ... of all stripes and ideologies.

I like you Mike. Enjoy lots of your posts. Agree with you on many topics. Respect your ‘Independent’ with conservative leanings choice. But I find your anger at BLM / Leftists to be clouding the objectivity you often apply toward other issues.

To be clear, I never believed there aren’t far right groups that promote violence. There are bad people on both sides.

However, right now, the majority I see are related to the left and BLM. The reports aren’t from sites like brietbart (I’ve never been on their site), but MSM.

I have to look beyond the candidates and for the most part, from what I’ve seen (emphasis on “I”), the left gives far more latitude to the violent part of their party, more so than the right.

That’s just me. Am I the all seeing authority? Of course not. I do have a hatred for people that prey on others. People that ruin businesses. Even things like turning over tables when people are trying to eat.

I have no stomach for white supremacy. No decent person does. I’m in an interracial marriage, so that doesn’t fly with me.

This country seems like it’s coming apart at the seams, but maybe every generation could say that. I think we could agree that there are bad people on the right and left.