COVID vaxx, San Diego (how much, ticket, deal)

[Tom9988]

Originally Posted by bloom

There is not much conservative in trumpism.

Originally Posted by NYSD1995

I don't consider Trump supporters to be conservative. Trump himself certainly isn't.

I would agree. However, my experience has been if you’re not a democrat, you’re automatically assumed to be a trump supporter. That’s not the case.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by NYSD1995

I'm not too worried about those people. They are in the minority and eventually will come around. The majority are closely aligned to alt-right / Trump "movement" whether or not they actually support Trump himself.

Perhaps, but there are a lot of hispanics and blacks that are also not taking the vaccine, as hitman said.

[NYSD1995]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

Perhaps, but there are a lot of hispanics and blacks that are also not taking the vaccine, as hitman said.

Sure, but a much smaller number. The vast majority are politically motivated people who view this as an anti-government protest. Some will say is because they are super concerned about what they are putting in their body, just as they pick up a diet coke and sock down some chik-fil-a. Mostly this is just antisocial behavior by million of people who have been raised to be anti-authority, and this is their anti-government protest of the most misguided and pathetic manner. There is a weird venn diagram of crystal healers (anti authority) and alt-right Trumpers (anti government) that is fascinating and I think fairly unique to CA and the west.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by NYSD1995

Sure, but a much smaller number. The vast majority are politically motivated people who view this as an anti-government protest. Some will say is because they are super concerned about what they are putting in their body, just as they pick up a diet coke and sock down some chik-fil-a. Mostly this is just antisocial behavior by million of people who have been raised to be anti-authority, and this is their anti-government protest of the most misguided and pathetic manner. There is a weird venn diagram of crystal healers (anti authority) and alt-right Trumpers (anti government) that is fascinating and I think fairly unique to CA and the west.

Full disclosure. I voted for Trump... But I am not one of these that you mention above. My sister might be? She hasn't gotten the vax, but I haven't asked her why. I agree, I don't get the "not getting a vaccine just to spite people" angle. I also tend to be anti-authority and I don't trust government, however, I have enough brains to know when to put that away. It is curious though... I wonder if we'd have the same problem if Trump had won? There were a lot of people on the left who said they would not take the vaccine (including Kamala) because "Trump rushed it through". I feel like if he had won, we'd be in the same boat, except it'd be democrats not taking the vaccine with "raging Trumpers" being the ones to get it instead.

[NYSD1995]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

I wonder if we'd have the same problem if Trump had won? There were a lot of people on the left who said they would not take the vaccine (including Kamala) because "Trump rushed it through". I feel like if he had won, we'd be in the same boat, except it'd be democrats not taking the vaccine with "raging Trumpers" being the ones to get it instead.

I seriously doubt it. No one with any level of science education believes that Trump had anything to do with the development of the vaccine other than approving funding to pay for it. I would say if you are talking about they typical "democratic elite", these people mostly have advanced degrees and not believing in vaccine safety is a very fringe concept.

There is a difference between "voted for Trump in 2020" and "Trumper". The moderates abandoned ship post Jan 6th riot and so the latter group is much smaller, but way more aggressive without the constraints of moderates. And they control many state and local republican apparatus, many state government positions and most importantly, control most of the conservative media, especially at the local / rural / regional level (talk radio / Facebook groups). Those folks have a mass audience and are actively duping these people. As you can see people pay attention to everything politicians say and base their belief system around it (i.e. whatever Biden or Harris said previously).

The reality is most people not only want to be told how to think, they NEED it, and there is really only a small group of people on either end with the access and scale to influence large groups like this.

Vaccine hesitancy is not as much of a problem in other places like it is here where it is highly regional and tied to politics. It is mainly an issue in smaller, poor countries without low education levels and who cannot produce a safe vaccine on their own. The US is a very large country with a huge population of poor and low-education people, so our problem is much larger.

At the end of the day, if you got the vaccine, your position on any other part of the matter is irrelevant now. The question is, what motivates these people to essentially prefer ruining the country in an effort to rebel against some perceived tyranny.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by NYSD1995

I seriously doubt it. No one with any level of science education believes that Trump had anything to do with the development of the vaccine other than approving funding to pay for it. I would say if you are talking about they typical "democratic elite", not believing in vaccine safety is a very fringe concept.

There is a difference between "voted for Trump in 2020" and "Trumper". The moderates abandoned ship and so the latter group is much smaller, but way more aggressive without the constraints of moderates, now they controls most state and local republican apparatus, many state government positions and most importantly, controls most of the conservative media, especially at the local / rural / regional level (talk radio / Facebook groups). Those folks have a mass audience and are actively duping these people.

But you do remember Kamala saying she's not sure she'd take it right? And I'm not talking about reasonable democrats so much as I am those with TDS.

[NYSD1995]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

But you do remember Kamala saying she's not sure she'd take it right? And I'm not talking about reasonable democrats so much as I am those with TDS.

I have no idea and that is exactly the point. I don't look to her for healthcare information. I work in biotech and BioNTech is a customer so I know that world. Also I don't trust politicians in general. I don't "follow" her and I am not part of some sort of "movement" that she is a part of. I know the right likes to tie BLM to the democratic leaders but it's not the same. However in the Trump world, they DO "follow" him and there IS a "movement" tied to him, and there is a whole tree of sub-leaders and proxies, they have taken over the entire leadership of a major political party and are actively purging dissenters. it's a major difference.

[bloom]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

But you do remember Kamala saying she's not sure she'd take it right? And I'm not talking about reasonable democrats so much as I am those with TDS.

That was prior to emergency approval by the FDA. The emergency approval was based on 30,000 or so participants with over 95% efficacy and no serious safety concerns. The data was mostly validated upon dosing millions over the ensuing months. That is not to say the FDA does not err which seems to be the very recent case with approval of a new claimed Alzeimher medicine. In the case of the vaxx, that is as good as a result one will get for a drug, unless you prefer hydroxy voodoo

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by NYSD1995

I have no idea and that is exactly the point. I don't look to her for healthcare information. I work in biotech and BioNTech is a customer so I know that world. Also I don't trust politicians in general. I don't "follow" her and I am not part of some sort of "movement" that she is a part of. I know the right likes to tie BLM to the democratic leaders but it's not the same. However in the Trump world, they DO "follow" him and there IS a "movement" tied to him, and there is a whole tree of sub-leaders and proxies, they have taken over the entire leadership of a major political party and are actively purging dissenters. it's a major difference.

This is true and it sucks. It was one thing to prefer him over Hilary or Biden in the election. It's a completely different thing to look at him as the next coming of Christ. Makes me sad that some people are like this

Originally Posted by bloom

That was prior to emergency approval by the FDA. The emergency approval was based on 30,000 or so participants with over 95% efficacy and no serious safety concerns. The data was mostly validated upon dosing millions over the ensuing months. That is not to say the FDA does not err which seems to be the very recent case with approval of a new claimed Alzeimher medicine. In the case of the vaxx, that is as good as a result one will get for a drug, unless you prefer hydroxy voodoo

Well I'm glad you remember. Yes the FDA probably makes mistakes, but I've worked in biotech and if anything, they are usually way too cautious. Maybe that's why I wasn't worried about getting the jab.

[bloom]

Originally Posted by stablegenius

Well I'm glad you remember. Yes the FDA probably makes mistakes, but I've worked in biotech and if anything, they are usually way too cautious. Maybe that's why I wasn't worried about getting the jab.

FDA Commish Janet Woodcock is not cautious at all with respect to Alzeimers (and to a lesser extent muscular dystrophy). Rather, wildly and harmfuly reckless