ADUs will ruin California neighborhoods (San Diego, El Cajon: zoning, safe, moving)

[1AngryTaxPayer]

The entire reason we moved out of PB was to get away from the crime that goes with apartments and other rentals.

[wac_432]

Originally Posted by Racer46

Uh not in the rich neighborhoods, no ADU's likely there.

There are still a few of us who bought into "rich" neighborhoods before prices moved into the stratosphere. Also, there are plenty of commercial AirBNB'ers who pump expensive properties for the money, who would love to subdivide a single rental mansion into to multiple VRBO properties. The sweet spot for vacation rentals is 1-2br1ba.

My ADU has been making me money hand-over-fist as an AirBNB. Best investment I ever made! It pays the mortgage and then some! Of course, I'm one of the "better" AirBnB'ers as I live on the property and actually manage my guests so they don't cause trouble for the neighborhood. I also provide off-street parking and all that jazz. Not that my rich neighbors are much appeased.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by barkerboy191

California now allows 2 story ADUs to be built on small single family lots. There will be all kinds of parking issues not to mention they are plain ugly.

Berkeley requires extra parking to be created, in the case of ADU's. This results in front yards being torn up and turned into parking lots. It's unsightly. But without ADU's, people wouldn't be able to afford to stay in their homes. People were building them in Berkeley and somehow skirting restrictive zoning long before they were allowed. They'd turn a 1-car garage into a 2-story ADU, by calling it a garage remodel, or something. IDK how they got away with it. But now I guess it's legal, though those units are still bound by radical rent control AFAIK, so.... they're kind of a mixed blessing to the owners.

[Axxlrod]

I'm confused as to how HOA laws outlawing ADUs contrast with this new site law.

[GuyInSD]

Originally Posted by Axxlrod

I'm confused as to how HOA laws outlawing ADUs contrast with this new site law.

"Any covenant, restriction, or condition contained in any deed, contract, security instrument, or other instrument affecting the transfer or sale of any interest in a planned development, and any provision of a governing document, that either effectively prohibits or unreasonably restricts the construction or use of an accessory dwelling unit or junior accessory dwelling unit on a lot zoned for single-family residential use that meets the requirements of Section 65852.2 or 65852.22 of the Government Code, is void and unenforceable."

Pretty straightforward - AB670 makes HOA rules against ADUs "void and unenforceable"; I suspect there will be lawsuits forthcoming...

[NYSD1995]

Originally Posted by GuyInSD

"Any covenant, restriction, or condition contained in any deed, contract, security instrument, or other instrument affecting the transfer or sale of any interest in a planned development, and any provision of a governing document, that either effectively prohibits or unreasonably restricts the construction or use of an accessory dwelling unit or junior accessory dwelling unit on a lot zoned for single-family residential use that meets the requirements of Section 65852.2 or 65852.22 of the Government Code, is void and unenforceable."

Pretty straightforward - AB670 makes HOA rules against ADUs "void and unenforceable"; I suspect there will be lawsuits forthcoming...

Must be frustrating to follow so many rules and then have them change on you. I learned my lesson in 2008 when the state decided that improvement districts were unconstitutional... and took all the tax money.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by wac_432

My ADU has been making me money hand-over-fist as an AirBNB.

I was under the impression ADUs couldn't be short-term rentals, at least in the city of SD proper. Maybe I read it wrong though.

[kettlepot]

The new ones can't be AirBnBs, but plenty of the earlier ones were used for that purpose.

The solution to the housing issue is to build actual apartment buildings on underused commercial property. Plenty of capacity there. However, housing isn't the government's goal, dismembering single-family neighborhoods is the goal.

Residents of single-family, middle class neighborhoods are inconvenient to the governing class. These neighborhoods demand responsible, effective government that achieves at least mediocre performance levels. A transient renter class just moves away from problems when they finally have the means, and generally stay disengaged from local government. I know I did when I was a renter.

[NYSD1995]

Originally Posted by kettlepot

The new ones can't be AirBnBs, but plenty of the earlier ones were used for that purpose.

The solution to the housing issue is to build actual apartment buildings on underused commercial property. Plenty of capacity there. However, housing isn't the government's goal, dismembering single-family neighborhoods is the goal.

Residents of single-family, middle class neighborhoods are inconvenient to the governing class. These neighborhoods demand responsible, effective government that achieves at least mediocre performance levels. A transient renter class just moves away from problems when they finally have the means, and generally stay disengaged from local government. I know I did when I was a renter.

I think the reality is, it's easier to pass a law that impacts homeowners than commercial property owners. One, because property owners are more likely to sue, but two, the states own environmental law essentially makes it impossible (same law championed by many of the same people who authored SB9 &10).

The idea that single-family zoning is inherently racist, and the willingness of so many people to believe it, is testament to the notion that CA politics is insanity.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by kettlepot

Residents of single-family, middle class neighborhoods are inconvenient to the governing class. These neighborhoods demand responsible, effective government that achieves at least mediocre performance levels. A transient renter class just moves away from problems when they finally have the means, and generally stay disengaged from local government. I know I did when I was a renter.

Absolutely right