Tip in Amber Dubois case leads to Escondido pond (buying, safe)

[moved]

Sheriff Gore said that more information will be available tomorrow.

[Wurzig]

What a sad time it must be for both of these families........ At least there is closure now, but still, very sad.......

I can think of nothing worse than to outlive your child........I've been through it with 2 friends.....there is nothing worse.

[steel7]

Originally Posted by Wurzig

What a sad time it must be for both of these families........ At least there is closure now, but still, very sad.......

I can think of nothing worse than to outlive your child........I've been through it with 2 friends.....there is nothing worse.

You never get closure. Losing a family member can be unbearable at times but you learn to deal with it.

[steel7]

According to the news the tip to where ambers body was did not come from john albert gardner. Amber did not get much attention at first cause the police thought she was a runaway. More info will be disclosed today.

[Encinitan]

Originally Posted by eagle7

According to the news the tip to where ambers body was did not come from john albert gardner. Amber did not get much attention at first cause the police thought she was a runaway. More info will be disclosed today.

This is true. And it's what seriously hampered the Dubois investigation early on. As opposed to Chelsea, who was never considered a runaway risk, Amber "sightings" kept popping up in the days and weeks after her disapperance, which sent police on a wild goose chase. This all appeard to support the theory that police didn't "drop the ball" in the Dubois investigation. They simply acted on the information they had at the time. It's a tragedy, but tragedies happen.

[steel7]

Originally Posted by Encinitan

This is true. And it's what seriously hampered the Dubois investigation early on. As opposed to Chelsea, who was never considered a runaway risk, Amber "sightings" kept popping up in the days and weeks after her disapperance, which sent police on a wild goose chase. This all appeard to support the theory that police didn't "drop the ball" in the Dubois investigation. They simply acted on the information they had at the time. It's a tragedy, but tragedies happen.

I didnt say the police "dropped the ball" on the dubois case. I did say the san diego police dept "dropped the ball" prior to the chelsea king murder. Read my posts on the chelsea king murder. It may be hard for some people to believe but the police & the courts (district attorneys, public defenders, judges) sometimes do screw up. NOTHING is perfect in this messed up world.

[loveautumn]

Couple things I heard...that the dogs did hit on the Pala Reservation, near the library, and the "experts" said the dogs were wrong. Well, turns out they weren't...she may have been near the library at some point and her body was found near the reservation.

Also, supposedly the PI that the Dubois family hired does not believe the two cases are connected, which I don't agree with.

Whoever called in that tip knew exactly where she was buried. LE went out and found her right away on Satuday morning and by Saturday afternoon, her remains had been identified. So somebody knew all this time...and when Chelsea was killed, maybe they just couldn't live with that anymore. It's just no coincidence both girls were found within days of each other, no way.

[Wurzig]

Originally Posted by loveautumn

Couple things I heard...that the dogs did hit on the Pala Reservation, near the library, and the "experts" said the dogs were wrong. Well, turns out they weren't...she may have been near the library at some point and her body was found near the reservation.

Also, supposedly the PI that the Dubois family hired does not believe the two cases are connected, which I don't agree with.

Whoever called in that tip knew exactly where she was buried. LE went out and found her right away on Satuday morning and by Saturday afternoon, her remains had been identified. So somebody knew all this time...and when Chelsea was killed, maybe they just couldn't live with that anymore. It's just no coincidence both girls were found within days of each other, no way.

Was the tip phoned in? I wonder if they can trace it......

I thought it was very odd, too.....looking for this girl for such a long time and then a tip leads them straight to her..... The L.A. Times article mentioned all the things that the parents had done to keep this going and to keep it main stream.....private investigators, etc.... It said that she was on her way to school with a $200 check for a 4-H project......

It seems that both girls were in shallow graves....

[esmith143]

The dog story does not hold any water, in my opinion. No dog is ever going to track a 6-month-old scent trail of a person in a locked car through busy city. Even the best trained dogs cannot track trails that are much more than two weeks old. And in those cases the person being tracked has to walk or be carried.

Something very weird is going on. I hope we'll learn more over time if/when they charge someone with this murder. I doubt it was Gardner in Amber's case (at least not alone). I don't see how he could have forced the girl into the car on a busy street without anyone noticing. My money is on an acquaintance or even a relative.

[steel7]

From the news i have heard on kfi (john & ken) it looks like the escondido police dept may have screwed up about the dog scent. I wouldnt doubt it one bit.