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again montclair you are dillusional non of those schools in oakland you listed are public schools for people who live in laurel, thats like trying to hype of the beneifts of bishop odowd to people who live next door and cant afford it. People from laurel cant just "go" to those charter schools, they have to be accepted.
Oakland also just layed of 80 officers as of late, and we all know those guys aint gonna be pulled from their beats protecting the hills(ie were the big tax dollars and donations come from). More sketchy neighborhoods will loose what little police presence they already have, ie the working to middle class neighborhoods.
Actually established neighborhoods are considered as such because they are long considered safe and have been as such for several generations.
None of the Oakland neighborhoods mentioned in this thread are new to being middle class-theyve always been that way.
I think out of towners who really are not familiar enough with Oakland show their @ss way too much commenting about things they know absolutely nothing about.
Yet virtually every Oakland home in this thread will sell to a family that probably is middle class. Families that could probably move to Livermore or Castro Valley if they really wanted to.
How Curious...
If that was true, Oakland wouldn't have lost 2.1% of its population since 2007. People are leaving Oakland because, unlike you, they know the truth about Oakland's "middle class" neighborhoods.
If that was true, Oakland wouldn't have lost 2.1% of its population since 2007. People are leaving Oakland because, unlike you, they know the truth about Oakland's "middle class" neighborhoods.
Actually the Census just released its latest demographic on population change and Im sure it will make you happy to know that Oakland is one of the 100 fastest growing cities in America with a population over 100,000 in the country.
Faster than Fresno, Sacramento, LA, SF etc.
Estimates of Resident Population Change for Incorporated Places over 100,000, Ranked by Percent Change: July 1, 2008 to July 1, 2009 1 Frisco city Texas 6.2 2 Cary town North Carolina 5.7 3 McKinney city Texas 5.5 4 New Orleans city Louisiana 5.4 5 Alexandria city Virginia 3.8 6 Clarksville city Tennessee 3.6 7 Arlington CDP Virginia 3.5 8 Round Rock city Texas 3.4 9 Murfreesboro city Tennessee 3.4 10 Lewisville city Texas 3.3 11 Fort Worth city Texas 3.3 12 Roseville city California 3.2 13 Odessa city Texas 3.0 14 Raleigh city North Carolina 3.0 15 Thornton city Colorado 3.0 16 North Las Vegas city Nevada 2.9 17 Peoria city Arizona 2.9 18 Denver city Colorado 2.9 19 McAllen city Texas 2.9 20 Carrollton city Texas 2.8 21 Durham city North Carolina 2.6 22 Denton city Texas 2.6 23 Midland city Texas 2.6 24 Gilbert town Arizona 2.5 25 Austin city Texas 2.5 26 Bellevue city Washington 2.5 27 Laredo city Texas 2.4 28 Charlotte city North Carolina 2.4 29 Irvine city California 2.3 30 Seattle city Washington 2.3 31 Santa Clara city California 2.3 32 Elk Grove city California 2.2 33 Irving city Texas 2.1 34 Aurora city Colorado 2.1 35 Fort Collins city Colorado 2.1 36 Lubbock city Texas 2.1 37 Visalia city California 2.1 38 Anchorage municipality Alaska 2.0 39 Columbus city Georgia 2.0 40 Chula Vista city California 2.0 41 Escondido city California 2.0 42 Richardson city Texas 1.9 43 Elgin city Illinois 1.9 44 Sioux Falls city South Dakota 1.9 45 Plano city Texas 1.9 46 Charleston city South Carolina 1.9 47 Savannah city Georgia 1.9 48 El Paso city Texas 1.8 49 Brownsville city Texas 1.8 50 Grand Prairie city Texas 1.8 51 Billings city Montana 1.8 52 Corona city California 1.8 53 San Antonio city Texas 1.8 54 Bakersfield city California 1.8 55 Oceanside city California 1.8 56 Huntsville city Alabama 1.8 57 Portland city Oregon 1.7 58 Wichita city Kansas 1.7 59 Sunnyvale city California 1.7 60 Berkeley city California 1.7 61 San Jose city California 1.7 62 Westminster city Colorado 1.7 63 Vancouver city Washington 1.7 64 Tempe city Arizona 1.6 65 Rochester city Minnesota 1.6 66 Moreno Valley city California 1.6 67 Norman city Oklahoma 1.6 68 Washington city District of Columbia 1.6 69 Fremont city California 1.6 70 Stamford city Connecticut 1.6 71 Palmdale city California 1.6 72 Riverside city California 1.6 73 Greensboro city North Carolina 1.6 74 Dallas city Texas 1.6 75 Olathe city Kansas 1.6 76 Madison city Wisconsin 1.5 77 Garland city Texas 1.5 78 Oklahoma City city Oklahoma 1.5 79 Orlando city Florida 1.5 80 Gresham city Oregon 1.5 81 Phoenix city Arizona 1.5 82 Omaha city Nebraska 1.5 83 OAKLAND CITY, CALIFORNIA 1.5 84 Fresno city California 1.5 85 Lexington-Fayette urban county Kentucky 1.5 86 Victorville city California 1.5 87 Hayward city California 1.5 88 Fayetteville city North Carolina 1.5 89 Richmond city California 1.4 90 Centennial city Colorado 1.4 91 Anaheim city California 1.4 92 Des Moines city Iowa 1.4 93 Antioch city California 1.4 94 Arlington city Texas 1.4 95 Waco city Texas 1.4 96 Oxnard city California 1.4 97 Overland Park city Kansas 1.3 98 West Valley City city Utah 1.3 99 Columbia city Missouri 1.3 100 Boston city Massachusetts 1.3 101 Salt Lake City city Utah 1.3 102 Columbus city Ohio 1.3 103 Salem city Oregon 1.3 104 Fullerton city California 1.3 105 Aurora city Illinois 1.3 106 Joliet city Illinois 1.3 107 Pasadena city California 1.3 108 Santa Rosa city California 1.2 109 Amarillo city Texas 1.2 110 Daly City city California 1.2 111 Sacramento city California 1.2 112 Lincoln city Nebraska 1.2 113 Lowell city Massachusetts 1.2 114 Jersey City city New Jersey 1.2 115 Davenport city Iowa 1.2 116 Nashville-Davidson metropolitan government (balance) Tennessee 1.2 117 Columbia city South Carolina 1.2 118 Peoria city Illinois 1.2 119 Orange city California 1.1 120 Albuquerque city New Mexico 1.1 121 Concord city California 1.1 122 Lancaster city California 1.1 123 Tampa city Florida 1.1 124 Provo city Utah 1.1 125 Salinas city California 1.1 126 Tacoma city Washington 1.1 127 Henderson city Nevada 1.1 128 High Point city North Carolina 1.1 129 Burbank city California 1.1 130 Mesquite city Texas 1.0 131 Little Rock city Arkansas 1.0 132 Rancho Cucamonga city California 1.0 133 Athens-Clarke County unified government (balance) Georgia 1.0 134 Huntington Beach city California 1.0 135 Tulsa city Oklahoma 1.0 136 Costa Mesa city California 1.0 137 Lafayette city Louisiana 1.0 138 Garden Grove city California 1.0 139 Chesapeake city Virginia 1.0 140 Reno city Nevada 1.0 141 Wilmington city North Carolina 0.9 142 Santa Ana city California 0.9 143 Scottsdale city Arizona 0.9 144 Hialeah city Florida 0.9 145 Chandler city Arizona 0.9 146 Fort Lauderdale city Florida 0.9 147 San Francisco city California 0.9 148 Corpus Christi city Texas 0.9 149 Minneapolis city Minnesota 0.9 150 Miramar city Florida 0.9 151 Houston city Texas 0.9 152 Winston-Salem city North Carolina 0.9 153 San Buenaventura (Ventura) city California 0.9 154 Indianapolis city (balance) Indiana 0.9 155 Las Vegas city Nevada 0.9 156 Springfield city Missouri 0.8 157 Cambridge city Massachusetts 0.8 158 Naperville city Illinois 0.8 159 Los Angeles city California 0.8 160 Abilene city Texas 0.8 161 Simi Valley city California 0.8 162 Ann Arbor city Michigan 0.8 163 Thousand Oaks city California 0.8 164 Richmond city Virginia 0.8 165 Stockton city California 0.8 166 Arvada city Colorado 0.8 167 Eugene city Oregon 0.8 168 Chicago city Illinois 0.8 169 Mesa city Arizona 0.7 170 Glendale city California 0.7 171 Elizabeth city New Jersey 0.7 172 Boulder city Colorado 0.7 173 Santa Clarita city California 0.7 174 Kansas City city Kansas 0.7 175 Fort Wayne city Indiana 0.7 176 Lakewood city Colorado 0.7 177 Atlanta city Georgia 0.7 178 St. Paul city Minnesota 0.6 179 Pembroke Pines city Florida 0.6 180 Colorado Springs city Colorado 0.6 181 Fontana city California 0.6 182 Paterson city New Jersey 0.6 183 Louisville/Jefferson County metro government (balance) Kentucky 0.6 184 Coral Springs city Florida 0.6 185 Palm Bay city Florida 0.6 186 Tucson city Arizona 0.6 187 Pompano Beach city Florida 0.6 188 Glendale city Arizona 0.6 189 Killeen city Texas 0.6 190 West Covina city California 0.5 191 Hollywood city Florida 0.5 192 Spokane city Washington 0.5 193 New York city New York 0.5 194 Long Beach city California 0.5 195 Pomona city California 0.5 196 Green Bay city Wisconsin 0.5 197 Topeka city Kansas 0.5 198 Pueblo city Colorado 0.5 199 West Jordan city Utah 0.5 200 Springfield city Illinois 0.5 201 Modesto city California 0.5 202 El Monte city California 0.5 203 Torrance city California 0.5 204 Bridgeport city Connecticut 0.5 205 Port St. Lucie city Florida 0.5 206 Gainesville city Florida 0.5 207 Boise City city Idaho 0.5 208 Kansas City city Missouri 0.5 209 Philadelphia city Pennsylvania 0.5 210 Miami city Florida 0.4 211 Jacksonville city Florida 0.4 212 Cedar Rapids city Iowa 0.4 213 Downey city California 0.4 214 Tallahassee city Florida 0.4 215 Inglewood city California 0.4 216 Ontario city California 0.4 217 Honolulu CDP Hawaii 0.4 218 Norwalk city California 0.4 219 Yonkers city New York 0.4 220 Virginia Beach city Virginia 0.3 221 Chattanooga city Tennessee 0.3 222 Evansville city Indiana 0.3 223 Grand Rapids city Michigan 0.3 224 Newark city New Jersey 0.3 225 Clearwater city Florida 0.3 226 Manchester city New Hampshire 0.2 227 Fairfield city California 0.2 228 Mobile city Alabama 0.2 229 Knoxville city Tennessee 0.2 230 Augusta-Richmond County consolidated government (balance) Georgia 0.2 231 San Bernardino city California 0.2 232 Hartford city Connecticut 0.2 233 Baton Rouge city Louisiana 0.2 234 Shreveport city Louisiana 0.2 235 Vallejo city California 0.1 236 Waterbury city Connecticut 0.1 237 Milwaukee city Wisconsin 0.1 238 Beaumont city Texas 0.1 239 Allentown city Pennsylvania 0.1 240 New Haven city Connecticut 0.1 241 Sterling Heights city Michigan 0.1 242 San Diego city California - 0.0 243 Springfield city Massachusetts - 0.0 244 Warren city Michigan - 0.0 245 Rockford city Illinois - 0.0 246 Miami Gardens city Florida - 0.0 247 Memphis city Tennessee - 0.0 248 Pasadena city Texas - 0.0 249 Newport News city Virginia - 0.0 250 Rochester city New York - 0.0 251 Independence city Missouri - 0.0 252 Providence city Rhode Island - 0.0 253 Jackson city Mississippi - 0.0 254 St. Louis city Missouri - 0.0 255 Birmingham city Alabama - 0.0 256 Cincinnati city Ohio - 0.0 257 Syracuse city New York - 0.0 258 Wichita Falls city Texas -0.1 259 Worcester city Massachusetts -0.1 260 Baltimore city Maryland -0.1 261 Pittsburgh city Pennsylvania -0.2 262 Toledo city Ohio -0.2 263 St. Petersburg city Florida -0.2 264 Detroit city Michigan -0.2 265 Erie city Pennsylvania -0.2 266 Montgomery city Alabama -0.2 267 Lansing city Michigan -0.3 268 South Bend city Indiana -0.3 269 Akron city Ohio -0.3 270 Buffalo city New York -0.4 271 Cape Coral city Florida -0.4 272 Dayton city Ohio -0.5 273 Norfolk city Virginia -0.6 274 Cleveland city Ohio -0.6 275 Hampton city Virginia -0.7 276 Flint city Michigan -1.2
(Table is in the third row from the top)
Population Estimates (http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/SUB-EST2009.html - broken link)
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again montclair you are dillusional non of those schools in oakland you listed are public schools for people who live in laurel, thats like trying to hype of the beneifts of bishop odowd to people who live next door and cant afford it. People from laurel cant just "go" to those charter schools, they have to be accepted.
The delusion is you acting like its impossible for a student to do well in Oakland-I and countless others are examples of how that's just BS.
Furthermore, Oakland adults age 25+ have a higher educational attainment rate than most suburbs do.
If those neighborhoods are so stable, why are the local k-12 schools so bad? Whyare the only schools that have a high ranking , charter schools?
While I don't think the stats back this up (I don't think that Thornhill, Montclair, Glenview, Peralta, Joquin Miller, Redwood Heights schools are charter), it is true that Oakland has a pretty crappy school system overall, having little to do with the quality of teaching. If a school is not impacted, parents can send their children to any school in the district, which makes for a mix of parental educational background, parental involvement, and the like regardless of what the neighborhood mix is. Many people living in Oakland's middle class sections do leverage the less expensive mortgage for being able to send their children to private school or fighting to get into the handful of really good public schools. The kids of middle-class parents on my block all happened to get into a public elementary school they're happy with, but the fact is none of those schools are actually our neighborhood school. None of us would send our kids to that one, unfortunately. I suppose if more of us banded together and made a commitment to send all our children to that school, "forcing out" kids who might be behavioral or academic problems, then the neighborhood school might flourish. But no one's doing that.
Actually the Census just released its latest demographic on population change and Im sure it will make you happy to know that Oakland is one of the 100 fastest growing cities in America with a population over 100,000 in the country.
According to the "Population Estimates" you posted, Oakland is tied with Omaha city, Nebraska in growth. That's not exactly anything to be happy about.
Actual numbers show that 2007-2009, Oakland lost 0.7% of its population a year. That's not an estimate, but an actual fact.
Translation: I don't have any real counter-point to Norcal Dude's point about a family of 4 not wanting to live in a 2 bedrrom, 800 square foot home, so I'll just make some off-hand remark about racism so that people forget about how NorCal Dude brought up a valid point that I can't possibly come up with an intelligent response to.
A lot of middle class folks send their kids to privayr school. That's where I went. O'Dowd Baby!
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Originally Posted by Shelacious
While I don't think the stats back this up (I don't think that Thornhill, Montclair, Glenview, Peralta, Joquin Miller, Redwood Heights schools are charter), it is true that Oakland has a pretty crappy school system overall, having little to do with the quality of teaching. If a school is not impacted, parents can send their children to any school in the district, which makes for a mix of parental educational background, parental involvement, and the like regardless of what the neighborhood mix is. Many people living in Oakland's middle class sections do leverage the less expensive mortgage for being able to send their children to private school or fighting to get into the handful of really good public schools. The kids of middle-class parents on my block all happened to get into a public elementary school they're happy with, but the fact is none of those schools are actually our neighborhood school. None of us would send our kids to that one, unfortunately. I suppose if more of us banded together and made a commitment to send all our children to that school, "forcing out" kids who might be behavioral or academic problems, then the neighborhood school might flourish. But no one's doing that.
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