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Old 06-17-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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I'm not familiar enough with lots of areas to say for sure, but I'd say the following are solidly middle class:

Piedmont Ave.
Grand Lake (middle class singles mostly)
Cleveland Heights
Upper Dimond
Laurel
Bushrod (middle/working class)
Adam's Point (lots of singles here too)

From my real estate searching, Eastmont Hills seems middle-class also.

I'd also throw Glenview, Trestle Glen, Montclair, Piedmont Pines, and Rockridge into the mix - they're well-off, but still middle (Glenview)/upper-middle (Montclair) - well-off but not wealthy.

Household income is a tricky measure; in high-density condo and apartment areas the per capita and household income are the same, skewing the numbers downward. Middle class is also difficult to define, especially where the line blurs between working/middle and middle/upper.


trestle glen/crocker highlands ,montclair and lower/upper rockridge have a lot of variation in price running from $650,000 to $2,000,00.
maybe i have too much of a working class background but the higher end areas seem to be approaching affluent more than middle class


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Old 06-17-2010, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA / San Rafael, CA
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The median income for an entire household in Oakland is 48k.
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There is no middle class in Oakland.
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Old 06-17-2010, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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trestle glen/crocker highlands ,montclair and lower/upper rockridge have a lot of variation in price running from $650,000 to $2,000,00.
maybe i have too much of a working class background but the higher end areas seem to be approaching affluent more than middle class


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Yes, also, we think of rich being gated estates on large lots but in the Bay Area's more crowded areas, as in many crowded areas elsewhere, wealthy areas don't always fit the mold that most people envision when they think 'wealthy'.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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trestle glen/crocker highlands ,montclair and lower/upper rockridge have a lot of variation in price running from $650,000 to $2,000,00.
maybe i have too much of a working class background but the higher end areas seem to be approaching affluent more than middle class


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Well, true - I guess I just think about the people I know in those areas, who either live in the less expensive houses, or their family has been there for ages and it wasn't worth nearly as much when the family moved to the area.

In Piedmont Pines, the average household makes $150k and lives in a $1m house. This is a little less than a place like Orinda, which I would consider as being upper middle class rather than affluent. Anyway, it's just a feeling I have, but I'll happily relegate Piedmont Pines et al to the wealthy category if that's the general consensus

Does anyone know about Harrington, Allendale, Millsmont and Maxwell Park?

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Old 06-17-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Yes, also, we think of rich being gated estates on large lots but in the Bay Area's more crowded areas, as in many crowded areas elsewhere, wealthy areas don't always fit the mold that most people envision when they think 'wealthy'.
Here's a middle-class definition from Wikipedia that I thought was interesting:

Members of the middle class belong to diverse groups which overlap with each other. Overall, middle class persons, especially upper middle class individuals, are characterized by conceptualizing, creating and consulting. Thus, college education is one of the main indicators of middle class status. Income varies considerably from near the national median to well in excess of $100,000.[2][5] Household income figures, however, do not always reflect class status and standard of living, as they are largely influenced by the number of income earners and fail to recognize household size. It is therefore possible for a large, dual-earner, lower middle class household to out-earn a small, one-earner, upper middle class household.[6]
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Old 06-17-2010, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Here's a middle-class definition from Wikipedia that I thought was interesting:

Members of the middle class belong to diverse groups which overlap with each other. Overall, middle class persons, especially upper middle class individuals, are characterized by conceptualizing, creating and consulting. Thus, college education is one of the main indicators of middle class status. Income varies considerably from near the national median to well in excess of $100,000.[2][5] Household income figures, however, do not always reflect class status and standard of living, as they are largely influenced by the number of income earners and fail to recognize household size. It is therefore possible for a large, dual-earner, lower middle class household to out-earn a small, one-earner, upper middle class household.[6]
very good.

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so true. A single person who earns $60,000 is probably going to have a better standard of living than a family of 5 with a $100,000 income.
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:57 PM
 
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When people mean there is no middle class in oakland they mean it in the cultural sense. Of course oakland has middle class people and neighborhoods almost exclusively of these people.

Every city does.

When people say there is no middle class the mean it in the coastal california sense. As in there are no stable middle class areas where a middle class person can afford to buy. Where are a couple of teachers making 40k a year each going to take their 2 boys, 1 girl, and 1 german shepard. Even in the rarity you find a place that is acceptable to your life style, Where you gonna get the 6k and 10k a year per child for elementary and high school tuition respectivel?. Let alone save money for their college, your retirement, and financial saving/padding. And forget about worldy vactions and fancy cars, most people are happy just to scrape by and make ends meat.
A middle class with little purchasing power and little padding between them in the poor house makes for an unstable economy, as is evidenced by all the california metro's unemployment rates.

And dont even get me started on the crime rate.

This is not a problem specific to oakland, nor the bay area. You see this all over coastal california and in manhattan. It's just at the worst end of the quality of life vs cost of living spectrum.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:32 PM
 
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Norcal is pretty much on the spot. Oakland has never, and for a long time, won't have a "middle-class".

In a city where the average person only makes $35,000 and the median HOUSEHOLD INCOME is only 48k, how can you expect to build a middle class?

Add high crime, and a high dropout rate, and you have a recipe for disaster. This is something new people (couples, families) looking to move to Oakland should consider.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:39 PM
 
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While I am pretty much on the spot as usual, oakland did have a middle class, it just kicked the bucket with the start of manufacturing decline in the us and was sped up with the crack-aids boom of the 80's (thats what really sent the middle class to the other side of the hill), and was finished with the dot com boom
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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This is not a problem specific to oakland, nor the bay area. You see this all over coastal california and in manhattan.
Basically.

Expensive areas will offer less for the money.
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