San Francisco Bans Happy Meals (Newman: cost, law, garden)

[wellyouknow]

I've just called in the SWAT team to confiscate all the Twinkies ( a disgusting concoction) from my local grocery store.

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Originally Posted by rockridge

The 'world' as you put it adores San Francisco, which is quite possibly the most well-liked US City in the world

Its the white, racist, neoconservative, corporatewhores in backwater America that dislikes us. And I consider their hatred of us to be a badge of honor.

Wow I missed your comments. What is adored by others in San Francisco is the beauty of the place, not the politics. The view, not the viewpoint. Don't ever think for once that what people love is any more than the destination and most of this nation and the world aren't visiting for the politics.

Racist and Conservative hardly go together. Jessie Jackson is racist, Willie Brown is racist, Barack Obama many think is racist. All are members of the Liberal Branch of the Democratic party. Liberalism would have you devide due to race. Many in the Liberal movement feel that if you are not on their side then you must be a racist. The biggest ideal of true Conservatism is to allow the individual to do for themselves not to have Governments involvement in every aspect of your life. Their is a need for Goverment. It is not to have peoples rights to a happy meal taken away.

With Conservatism things are so much more clearer. The devision is not about race but productivity. Those that produce and support themselves without the aid of the Government against those that take from the government coffers. It is not a matter of color of skin as it is about willingness to do for yourself. One of the reasons so many business owners, and members of the Coporate C Suite are Conservatives is because they worked hard to get where they are. They did it with no help from the Government. Interesting thing is that many people in corporate leadership roles are now represented from people of Color.

Corporate America doesn't hate the American people. They love the fact that they buy their products. It almost seems as if you would have people believe that Corporate America is trying to kill off large parts of the populace. Why would any business do that? Doing so is bad business. I would want everyone to be my customer, not kill a large part of them off.

Purchasing items should be left to the consumer. This is a free market economy. Also parents are smart and can limit their child's intake of poor food. Lest any one think I actually like the stuff they serve at McDonalds you have another thing coming. Still, People have the right to choose for themselves.

[Rakin]

Originally Posted by wellyouknow

I've just called in the SWAT team to confiscate all the Twinkies ( a disgusting concoction) from my local grocery store.

Just don't touch those coconut things that look like boobs. Also, Jack in the Box tacos & chocolate shakes. Gotta leave something for all the pot smokers.

What is that mystery meat in those Jack Tacos ? Surely it should be banned.

[VLWH]

Originally Posted by Rakin

Just don't touch those coconut things that look like boobs.

[bluenoter]

Vienna Sausages? What are they all about?

Originally Posted by Rakin

Just don't touch those coconut things that look like boobs. Also, Jack in the Box tacos & chocolate shakes. Gotta leave something for all the pot smokers.

What is that mystery meat in those Jack Tacos ? Surely it should be banned.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

Wow I missed your comments. What is adored by others in San Francisco is the beauty of the place, not the politics. The view, not the viewpoint. Don't ever think for once that what people love is any more than the destination and most of this nation and the world aren't visiting for the politics.

SF's politics are insane, I'll give you that.

Jessie Jackson is racist, Willie Brown is racist, Barack Obama many think is racist.

Possibly, no, and no, respectively.

Many in the Liberal movement feel that if you are not on their side then you must be a racist.

Political rhetoric like this is a reality. So is conservative rhetoric that if you are not on their side you're a radical socialist anarchist gay Muslim or whatever the latest buzzwords are.

The biggest ideal of true Conservatism is to allow the individual to do for themselves not to have Governments involvement in every aspect of your life. Their is a need for Goverment. It is not to have peoples rights to a happy meal taken away.

Nor is it to have their ability to marry taken away, nor is it to prohibit the consumption of marijuana just because it's supposedly bad for you.

Sorry to tell you this, but Goldwater and Milton Friedman are both dead. (I can respect conservatives like that, just like I respect Ron Paul. Or even a Republican who's more conventional but more focused on economics like Mitch Daniels.)

There are many different types of conservatism and liberalism.

Social conservatism, Bushism, and neoconservatism are not about those things.

With Conservatism things are so much more clearer. The devision is not about race but productivity. Those that produce and support themselves without the aid of the Government against those that take from the government coffers.

Do you put Wall Street and the big banks in the latter category? Just wondering.

It is not a matter of color of skin as it is about willingness to do for yourself. One of the reasons so many business owners, and members of the Coporate C Suite are Conservatives is because they worked hard to get where they are. They did it with no help from the Government.

As for the Corporate C Suite, many of them did it with PLENTY of help from the government.

As for small business: many small business owners are equally alienated from both major parties right now. I don't blame them. Both parties have failed to do anything to bolster small business and are more concerned with Wall Street.

Interesting thing is that many people in corporate leadership roles are now represented from people of Color.

True

Corporate America doesn't hate the American people

The part of corporate America which provides goods and services for the public has different interests from that part of corporate America which does business with the government and the interests of Wall Street are very different from the interests of Main Street. Ayn Rand was wrong about corporate executives wanting the government to leave them alone. They actively want the government to work for them, they want to influence the government, and they want the government to make policies in their favor.

Purchasing items should be left to the consumer. This is a free market economy. Also parents are smart and can limit their child's intake of poor food. Lest any one think I actually like the stuff they serve at McDonalds you have another thing coming. Still, People have the right to choose for themselves.

I agree with you about this part, however you're more than a little naive.

[wellyouknow]

The basic point stands thusly: it is a private company's prerogative to put free toys with their meals for marketing reasons. Kids of private citizens who pay taxes also like that. What's your business meddling with private matter?

Whether those meals are 'healthy' or not is another discussion which is neither here nor there as the majority of what is sold in our supermarkets is questionably unhealthy. Do you pro-intervention folks want to ban 80% of the food industry AND/OR their marketing methods? Because that is where it is headed.

[Rakin]

Originally Posted by wellyouknow

The basic point stands thusly: it is a private company's prerogative to put free toys with their meals for marketing reasons. Kids of private citizens who pay taxes also like that. What's your business meddling with private matter?

Whether those meals are 'healthy' or not is another discussion which is neither here nor there as the majority of what is sold in our supermarkets is questionably unhealthy. Do you pro-intervention folks want to ban 80% of the food industry AND/OR their marketing methods? Because that is where it is headed.

No one seems to want to answer these good questions.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by wellyouknow

The basic point stands thusly: it is a private company's prerogative to put free toys with their meals for marketing reasons. Kids of private citizens who pay taxes also like that. What's your business meddling with private matter?

I'm in full agreement with you on this.
Unfortunately urban/suburban CA is hooked on "progressive paternalism". IMO the supes should stay away from this issue completely, it just makes SF politics look even more laughable than it already is.
SF has real problems, banning Happy Meals is just diverting attention away from these real problems.
It should be the right of the business to sell the toys and the right of consumers to buy them

Whether those meals are 'healthy' or not is another discussion which is neither here nor there as the majority of what is sold in our supermarkets is questionably unhealthy. Do you pro-intervention folks want to ban 80% of the food industry AND/OR their marketing methods? Because that is where it is headed.

Actually it would be close to 100%.
The only way that intervention would even be semi-justified would be if it was solely confined to the big chains and the locally owned places, the little guy, was immune from action. I'm for protecting small business but against legislating morality

[trailerguy]

This kind of stupidity is a big part of the reason I moved away from the Bay Area. It never fails to astound me, after 58 year of living in or watching San Francisco that the Board of Supervisors find the time for these amazing causes but can't seem to get the buses to run on schedule or balance a budget. Get your noses out of kids' lunch bags and see if you can get people from downtown to home in the most compact city in America in less than two hours, why dontcha? Thank God for Chicago.