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Old 11-11-2010, 10:08 AM
 
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Actually Oakland grew up around the city of Piedmont. Ih has been an independent city since the early 1920s. Not entirely accurate. They recently had a 100 anniversary noting the day they proposed the incorporation.
On January 7, 1907, Hugh Craig and James Ballentine filed papers with the State of California to incorporate a new city which was just 1.8 square miles in size. They called it Piedmont. The map they used for the new town was from the Piedmont Sanitary Sewer District and because the sewer lines were already underneath houses there are many homes which are now half in Piedmont and half in the City of Oakland.

An election was held on January 26, 1907 and 118 men who owned land in Piedmont voted to become a city. Some people were unhappy with the decision and another election was held in September of 1907. One-hundred fifty-five men voted then, and Piedmont became a city because of just 10 votes!

In the Roaring Twenties Piedmont was known as the “City of Millionaires” because there were more millionaires per square mile than in any city in the United States.

In 2007 CNN/Money Magazine ranked Piedmont as the best city in the United States...

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Old 11-11-2010, 10:35 AM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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Leiden University is one of the top scholarly entities in the world. It produced Albert Einstein, Rene Descartes and multiple Nobel Prize winners, and has been host to generations of royalty dating back to the 1500's. If this survey is conducted by Leiden I would assume it is a very serious undertaking.
Okay, thanks for the info.
But what I find disturbing is the fundamentally flawed theory that gated communities automatically denotes 'high-class".

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Old 11-11-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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It's true, if you want a fully urban environment where the wealthy live and are surrounded by stores that cater to them in Oakland, like Cow Hollow in SF, you won't really find it. The closest would be Rockridge or the Piedmont Ave area.
not true. crocker highlands is fairly walkable and urban.it has a the largest orthodox jewish community in the east bay. those who observe shabbat cannot drive from friday evening thru saturday evening.they walk to temple.

you can walk to trader joes ,a movie theater ,arizmendi,farmers market,dining ,frozen yougurt.not as walkable as SF but ok. it seems to compare well to upper rockridge and montclair.


the data below is from City-Data.
https://www.city-data.com/neighborhoo...akland-CA.html
Median household income 2008:

Upper Rockridge: $119,072
Crocker Highland: $144,212
Montclair: $130,785



Average estimated value of detached houses in 2008

Upper Rockridge: $1,331,643
Crocker Highland: $1,209,841
Montclair: $1,076,867


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Old 11-11-2010, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Okay, thanks for the info.
But what I find disturbing is the fundamentally flawed theory that gated communities automatically denotes 'high-class".

Exactly. I think that he's in for a pleasant surprise when he actually gets here and finds that for the most part, people of means in Oakland do not live behind stone walls and electric gates.
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Old 11-11-2010, 10:49 AM
 
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What is 'High Class Oakland'?


Taking the "Wild Irish Rose" out of the bag before drinking.
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Old 11-11-2010, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA / San Rafael, CA
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It's true, if you want a fully urban environment where the wealthy live and are surrounded by stores that cater to them in Oakland, like Cow Hollow in SF, you won't really find it. The closest would be Rockridge or the Piedmont Ave area.
I wouldn't even consider Rockridge an equal to Cow Hollow. Rockridge is rather small, and still in close proximity to too much crime to be considered high class. Also Rockridge and places like Montclair don't have enough "old money" in those areas to be considered classy.
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Old 11-11-2010, 11:31 AM
 
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I wouldn't even consider Rockridge an equal to Cow Hollow. Rockridge is rather small, and still in close proximity to too much crime to be considered high class. Also Rockridge and places like Montclair don't have enough "old money" in those areas to be considered classy.
nob hill has "old money" and is a lot closer to crime than rockridge.nob hill is blocks from the tenderloin which is crackhead, whackjob and ho central of san francisco. this year mentally disturbed people have walked up the hill from the tenderloin and killed people in nob hill.
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Old 11-11-2010, 11:33 AM
 
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High class oakland means the guy has brushed his teeth and put a belt on his pants.
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Old 11-11-2010, 11:56 AM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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Characteristics of an Upper Class Neighborhood.

Sizeable and spacious apartments
Historic, century-old apartment complexes
Myriad large mansions
Boasting impressive cityviews, oceanviews or a parkviews
Collection of prominent luxury hotels
Primary or secondary residence for the elite, celebrities, and/or noble
Conglomeration of exclusive luxury designers
Low vacancy-rate
High-demand and expensive real estate
.

Upper Class is simply people at the top of a social hierachy
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And whatever neighborhood they might live, meeting some of the standards above, is a Upper Class Neighborhood.

Now, it can differ from city to city. So it doesnt matter what San Francisco might have, or Los Angeles. Because it will not alter the fact, that, Oakland does have "Upper Class" neighborhoods.
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Old 11-11-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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not true. crocker highlands is fairly walkable and urban.it has a the largest orthodox jewish community in the east bay. those who observe shabbat cannot drive from friday evening thru saturday evening.they walk to temple.

you can walk to trader joes ,a movie theater ,arizmendi,farmers market,dining ,frozen yougurt.not as walkable as SF but ok. it seems to compare well to upper rockridge and montclair.
As far as income, Oakland does pretty good compared to some of LA and SFs most famous neighborhoods/areas.

This is income data for 2009 from Onboard LLC

Top 50 Oakland Neighborhoods by Average Household Income, 2009
Hiller Highlands/ Panoramic Hill $239,554
Jack London Square/ Waterfront Warehouse Dist. $215,970
Claremont $209,361
Piedmont Pines $201,150
Beverly Hills $191,703
Montclair $190,041
Pacific Heights, SF $185,865
Crocker Highlands $184,125
Cow Hollow, SF $172,605
Upper Rockridge $167,153
Forestland $164,097
Marina District, SF $153,449
Sheperd Canyon $152,883
Rockridge $148,127
Encino, LA $147,578
Glen Highlands $147,576
Russian Hill, SF $141,050
Sheffield Village $139,264
Noe Valley, SF $137,147
Lake Merritt/ Lakeside $138,959
Sequoyah $136,368
Trestle Glen $135,495
Woodminster $133,450
Oakmore $129,452
Castro, SF $128,610
Caballo Hills $125,920
Leona Heights $125,920
Skyline-Hillcrest Estates $125,920
Century City, LA $125,787
Chabot Park $123,738
Redwood Heights $116,144
Westwood, LA $113,863
Marina Del Rey, LA $112,421
Crestmont $110,923
Ladera Heights-View Park, LA $104,945
Oak Knoll/ Golf Links $98,511
Hollywood Hills, LA $97,859
Lincoln Highlands $96,899
Fairview Park $95,818
Glenview $95,267
Telegraph Hill, SF $92,295
Nob Hill, SF $90,275
Shafter $90,166
Richmond District, SF $88,095
Lakeshore $86,072
Los Feliz, LA $82,961
North Beach, SF $82,714
Fox Hills, LA $77,485
Maxwell Park $76,471
Jefferson $74,515
Eastmont Hills $73,885
Upper Dimond $73,782
Baldwin Hills, LA $69,503
Laurel $69,452
Cleveland Heights $68,932
Hayes Valley, SF $67,565
Piedmont Avenue $66,632
Cathedral Hill, SF $65,761
Grand Lake $63,846
Bella Vista $63,772
Bushrod $62,910
Allendale $62,703
Temescal $61,778
South Prescott $61,451
Toler Heights $60,633
Adams Point $59,872
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