Oakland is probably better than SF (Fremont, Montclair: low income, high crime, buy)

[Malloric]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Are you still trying to make us believe that where other races live with relation to whites is the definition of 'integration'?

Yawns.

Newsflash: Its not.

You're aware that white-black dissimilarity is exactly the same thing as black-white dissimilarity? If it helps assuage your chip feel free to consider where whites life in relation to other races. And it's a measurement of integration. If you're confused about the definitions of integration, try a dictionary.

CensusScope -- Segregation: Neighborhood Exposure by Race
Look at the the exposure difference between whites and blacks. A black person living in Oakland has a 50% exposure to blacks and only 15% exposure to whites.

As far as rankings...
CensusScope -- Segregation: Dissimilarity Indices
Oakland second most segregated white-Asian, San Francisco is 18th
CensusScope -- Segregation: Dissimilarity Indices
Oakland 9th most segregated white-black, SF 6th most segregated.
No rankings for Hispanics, but it's quite segregated in both.

Really, while the epeen contest of which is more integrated is interesting it sort of misses the broader point. Both San Francisco and Oakland are among the most racially segregated California cities. It's an exercise in the kettle calling the pot black.

Isnt it grand that the very stereotypes about Oakland that makes them feel superior can be totally thrown back at them when we make it a neighborhood vs neighborhood comparison?

Yes. That's been my point all along. Oakland taken as a whole is very diverse. Oakland on the aggregated neighborhood level, not so much. It has its diverse neighborhoods and its not diverse neighborhoods just like any place else. If people want to live in Rockridge, I've got nothing against it. Just get off the "I live in diverse Oakland" moral high ground. If people want to live in Marina, I've got nothing against that either. Same caveat applies.

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by Malloric

You're aware that white-black dissimilarity is exactly the same thing as black-white dissimilarity? If it helps assuage your chip feel free to consider where whites life in relation to other races. And it's a measurement of integration. If you're confused about the definitions of integration, try a dictionary.

CensusScope -- Segregation: Neighborhood Exposure by Race
Look at the the exposure difference between whites and blacks. A black person living in Oakland has a 50% exposure to blacks and only 15% exposure to whites.

As far as rankings...
CensusScope -- Segregation: Dissimilarity Indices
Oakland second most segregated white-Asian, San Francisco is 18th
CensusScope -- Segregation: Dissimilarity Indices
Oakland 9th most segregated white-black, SF 6th most segregated.
No rankings for Hispanics, but it's quite segregated in both.

Really, while the epeen contest of which is more integrated is interesting it sort of misses the broader point. Both San Francisco and Oakland are among the most racially segregated California cities. It's an exercise in the kettle calling the pot black.






Yes. That's been my point all along. Oakland taken as a whole is very diverse. Oakland on the aggregated neighborhood level, not so much. It has its diverse neighborhoods and its not diverse neighborhoods just like any place else. If people want to live in Rockridge, I've got nothing against it. Just get off the "I live in diverse Oakland" moral high ground. If people want to live in Marina, I've got nothing against that either. Same caveat applies.

His point is that there's no black-hispanic or asian-black or etc. comparison, which when taken together with the existing data provides more context than merely looking at dissimilarity for whites.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

His point is that there's no black-hispanic or asian-black or etc. comparison, which when taken together with the existing data provides more context than merely looking at dissimilarity for whites.

Yes, I was wondering if he would have figured it out, guess not.

LOL

[Malloric]

So then look at exposure by race vs overall population. The more integrated the more equal to overall population exposure should be.
CensusScope -- Segregation: Neighborhood Exposure by Race

I mean, the whole idea is that if aren't Hispanic but live in the same neighborhood you might actually view them as people rather than illegal Mexicans working in taquerias. Obviously, not exactly true of certain enlightened Rockridge residents.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Malloric

I mean, the whole idea is that if aren't Hispanic but live in the same neighborhood you might actually view them as people rather than illegal Mexicans working in taquerias. Obviously, not exactly true of certain enlightened Rockridge residents.

LOL

That's hilarious considering the fact that Hispanics in Oakland actually constitute a near majority of middle class neighborhoods as well. I guess they feel like they are a part of the community, have a sense of dignity and pride in where they live.

Harrington, Oakland
Average Household Income(2009) $74,515

[jade408]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

LOL

That's hilarious considering the fact that Hispanics in Oakland actually constitute a near majority of middle class neighborhoods as well. I guess they feel like they are a part of the community, have a sense of dignity and pride in where they live.

Harrington, Oakland
Average Household Income(2009) $74,515

What? That's the hood! There are no middle class areas in Oakland. It is only rich or poor.

[evergraystate]

Mayor Jean Quan Allegedly Tells Local Mom To Move Out Of Oakland: SFist

Oakland: Keeping it classy

[The Informers]

Originally Posted by evergraystate

Mayor Jean Quan Allegedly Tells Local Mom To Move Out Of Oakland: SFist

Oakland: Keeping it classy

What is your purpose troll?

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by evergraystate

Mayor Jean Quan Allegedly Tells Local Mom To Move Out Of Oakland: SFist

Oakland: Keeping it classy

She played it rather reserved. I would have told that heckler lady to **** off.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by evergraystate

Keeping it classy

Ironic.