Why do the cops even patrol the tenderloin? (San Jose, San Francisco: crime rate, living in)

[0'Farrell]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Therefore, you don't live in a town that's so outrageously expensive and is crawling with crackheads and prostitutes.

Still better than San Jose.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by 0'Farrell

Still better than San Jose.

We don't shrug off mugging and carjacking as a normal part of where we live. Unlike everybody I've ever known who lived in SF.

[0'Farrell]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

We don't shrug off mugging and carjacking as a normal part of where we live. Unlike everybody I've ever known who lived in SF.

Thats a small unfortunate aspect of an urban area.

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dude

Better than having the sketchballs hanging around your front door. How would you feel if you payed 2000 a month for a one bedroom, you come outside and some one is taking a dookie on your stoop? You don't want that. You want that person doing that in an ally in the loin where they belong.

Have you seen how well traversed Civic Center is? If the bums can sh*t on the escalator there, they can sh*t anywhere (including the front door of any apartment in the tenderloin).

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

We don't shrug off mugging and carjacking as a normal part of where we live. Unlike everybody I've ever known who lived in SF.

I doubt any of those people are actually from SF. Suburban people - Bay Area suburban people in particular - look at SF with rose colored glasses. For a lot of people, the City = North Beach, the Marina, Downtown, Haight-Ashbury, AT&T Park and more recently the Mission (i.e. what's shown on TV or in newspapers). When said suburban people move to SF, they bring this attitude with them. For a lot of them, the SF they "know" is very, very different from the SF they live in... when you've been bombarded with SF's squeaky-clean image all your life, though, it's very hard to question it. I myself had that same squeaky-clean image of SF in my head until I really got to know the City and some people from it, particularly people from Chinatown and Fillmore. Eventually, there was too big of a gap between the image in my head and what I was seeing/hearing from SF itself and its residents for me to continue to believe in the image. It's a little like when you find out that Santa Claus isn't real... I was around that age (7 or 8) when I discovered how BS the media representation was.

Unfortunately, it would be another 6-8 years before I discovered that the reverse was true of Oakland... the first year I was in Oakland I did not feel particularly comfortable despite that I had spent a lot of time in areas that were much worse (parts of Gary Indiana for instance) and even in more depressingly crappy parts of the Bay (EPA for example). The sad thing is that it doesn't matter where you come from in the Bay suburbs, wealthy or broke... unless you have a direct connection to SF or Oakland (or SJ for that matter) you will internalize the media drivel even if its contrary or more applicable to your experiences in the burbs. EPA is a much ****tier place to grow up than Oakland due to the complete lack of amenities or opportunities within EPA but good luck convincing EPAers of that. Counter-intuitively, the ****ty parts of SF are (incredibly enough) even more deprived than EPA but again good luck convincing them of that.

[mayorhaggar]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

I doubt any of those people are actually from SF. Suburban people - Bay Area suburban people in particular - look at SF with rose colored glasses. For a lot of people, the City = North Beach, the Marina, Downtown, Haight-Ashbury, AT&T Park and more recently the Mission (i.e. what's shown on TV or in newspapers). When said suburban people move to SF, they bring this attitude with them. For a lot of them, the SF they "know" is very, very different from the SF they live in... when you've been bombarded with SF's squeaky-clean image all your life, though, it's very hard to question it.

First place I moved to in SF was on 18th and Capp in the armpit of the Mission. Opened my eyes pretty quickly to how dumpy and sketchy SF can be. My roommates and I would joke about how getting your car pissed on was just the Capp Street welcoming committee welcoming you to the neighborhood.

[0'Farrell]

^^^I always believed that Mid Market and the Loin were much nastier than anything in Oakland.

[DocGoldstein]

I've never thought of Oakland as "nasty" like Tenderloin can be with human feces on the ground every block, and huge roach colonies in the alleys near trash bins. Oakland locally has always been known for violence, not nastiness.

[0'Farrell]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

I've never thought of Oakland as "nasty" like Tenderloin can be with human feces on the ground every block, and huge roach colonies in the alleys near trash bins. Oakland locally has always been known for violence, not nastiness.

Im talking about the whole package here. Granted feces is apart of it but don't forget the sheer number of crackheads and mentally unstable people. Throw in too many hookers and the hood part of it as well.

[NorCal Dude]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

Have you seen how well traversed Civic Center is? If the bums can sh*t on the escalator there, they can sh*t anywhere (including the front door of any apartment in the tenderloin).

My cousin goes to that Art Institute there on civic center. Not exactly a classy area...