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Old 03-26-2013, 05:35 PM
 
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The difference between Houston and Bay Area is pretty large. Mostly due to housing cost.

But then how do you explain the huge difference between LA MTA and BART?

Just a cursory comparison shows that when you compare Oakland and L.A:

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Los Angelenos actually suffer more from higher living cost than Oaklanders (again, housing being a big modifier).

A salary of $50,000 in Oakland, California should increase to $53,107 in Los Angeles, California

Cost of Living Indexes Oakland Los Angeles
Overall 135 144
Food 115 110
Housing 194 235
Utilities 92 115
Transportation 112 112
Health 111 111
Miscellaneous 118 103
That's about 1 percent of the story. What's the MTA's salaries?

So I can get to apples, oranges and other fruit salad and balance it out and see if they are overpaid or not in relation to say NY City as well? Or Atlanta and the MARTA maybe? There's a lot to consider when hiring people from around the country to run BART donchaknow.

Evidence please.

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Old 03-26-2013, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Doc, not everyone that works for BART lives in Oakland...

I explain the difference in salaries in economics terms basically. Supply meets demand. If they want to hire qualified individuals to run BART in an otherwise expensive area, they have to pay more.

If there's fraud involved, please check the Bell thread down in CA general. Are you alleging anything like that is occuring?
Senno, the salary difference is literally a standard deviation away from the norm. BART employees are some of the highest compensated public employees in the UNITED STATES.

BART also has some of the highest debt of any rail system in the U.S.

They are also asking for MORE. You aren't affected by it because you live in "Fresno", but trust me, people in CCC who actually have to pay taxes are tired of it.
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Old 03-26-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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Is the COLA in the Bay Area a standard deviation away from the norm or more? Seems like it.

Jeez, lemme look up MTA salaries. And NY Salaries then.

Be back in awhile since you won't share the actual factuals as to salaries in comparable metro systems...

I'm in Sunnyside just outside Fresno city limits in Fresno County. Unless you want me to start questioning whether you are actually in "Lafayette" every post you might want to reconsider that line. As I will discuss what you do. Might as well keep it to what you are posting about that's on-topic, and not about where you live for the most part.

I thought you'd be tired of people calling you troll every post, and I actually discuss what you bring up without doing that.
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Old 03-26-2013, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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This is pretty funny. Thx for posting. I think I vaguely recall green cushions, though. But it was a long time ago. I think there are bigger issues to launch a crusade about, than cushion color, though.
No they are green. The "blue cushions" people bring up, are actually green now from all the dirt, and aging.

Exhibit A:



Look at that filth. $2 billion a year for this?!
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:03 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Also in case anyone is interested in REAL, ACTUAL statistics about BART and what it spends and where the money comes from instead of made up stats:

From FTA 2011 data:
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:06 PM
 
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No they are green. The "blue cushions" people bring up, are actually green now from all the dirt, and aging.

Exhibit A:



Look at that filth. $2 billion a year for this?!
Color Consultant Senno here. I see a shade of aqua. Otherwise known as blue green. /shrug

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Old 03-26-2013, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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I could go with Aqua, but "blue"? That's laughable. They haven't been blue for a very long time.

Regardless, BART considers the replacement of these low priority obviously (despite the filth and smell).
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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Hold on Doc. I'm looking up MTA stuff and NY subway stuff and stuff.

Actually I'm listening to Blondie down in the free chat thread in CA general. Come on down and tell me interesting medical stories Doc. And I will tell you of strange insurance claims for fun.

Doc, I found a mile long xls doc on capital use, but I don't know all the transits Fed id numbers to tell whose spending what where.

MTA serves a buttload of people though.

http://www.metro.net/news/ridership-statistics/

I'm gonna eat some string cheese and try to find out where Sav found that neato chart.

And I've got to figure out real estate square foot prices in LA county where the lines are to see whose making efficient use of money to purchase land to put in lines as a matter or historical interest.

Is real estate more or less expensive in the Bay Area or LA county as a general matter, Doc?

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Old 03-26-2013, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Look up LA MTA, Houston Metro, or any other mass transit system. BART is by FAR the most leeching when it comes to taking tax payer money.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:24 PM
 
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Maybe, but then I have to adjust for COLA to live in the Bay Area, and associated costs. And the cost of expansion which is high in the Bay Area due to high real estate prices and stuff. It's a big tangle.

And I'm kinda enjoying my string cheese right now.

Can you answer my questions about LA county vs SF bay area real estate?
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