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Old 11-06-2007, 09:51 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Go San Francisco! I don't think ROTC or the Boy Scouts should be allowed to use public property to host meetings/recruitment events until they change their policies of discrimination against homosexuals.
If that is the case, then yes I agree! As for the facts, SoonerNation, I'd be happy to find some for you... as I admitted above, I know very little about this ROTC issue, and never claimed to have researched it yet. But if discrimination is the reason behind this, I would have to support that stance. So yes, there is something San Franciscans are intolerant of - bigotry and inequality.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:58 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Okay, I did a little research and found this article...
Board has plan to oust ROTC from S.F. schools / Members want to cut program over 'Don't ask, Don't tell'

So yes, they did drop the program due to their "Don't ask, don't tell" policy. I support that decision 100%, since the policy is a load of crap! As is typical here in San Francisco, we're not tolerant of intolerance, and also not afraid to take a stand... people make fun of "hippies," but the TRUE hippies & activists (of the 60s-70s) did a lot of good for this country - and all of that was centered here in the Bay.
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:13 AM
 
Location: At Sea....and Midwest....
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Truly frightening is that the far right and the far left in the U.S. will meet back to back...and at the 'bottom' [pun intended] and with more in common that previously believed.....all to the detriment of the country.....
Tolerance....a term often tossed out but poorly understood.....Tolerance in the bay area is more akin to appeasement......of the type so frequently used in the late 1930's.....with lousy results....[place smiley face here]
(generally repressed conservatives).......Neat idea.......but real poor logic....This is like saying...'anyone who despises the fascists...is really just a repressed fascist....' [put frown face here]

Last edited by Coffee Mate; 11-06-2007 at 12:39 PM.. Reason: Add a cute smile!...And....this...
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:45 AM
 
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Excuse me, but dont you live in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA?
Uhh...that's not the Lancaster of which I'm a native

I have been to SoCal though, and it's beautiful too. Maybe not as much so as the Bay area...but at least they've got the Reagan Ranch
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Uhh...that's not the Lancaster of which I'm a native

I have been to SoCal though, and it's beautiful too. Maybe not as much so as the Bay area...but at least they've got the Reagan Ranch
oh, I thought you meant our Lancaster...LOL

Reagan Ranch-yuck.

jk
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:55 AM
 
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oh, I thought you meant our Lancaster...LOL

Reagan Ranch-yuck.

jk
Hehe... But aren't you pleased that I at least knew about your Lancaster (in SoCal)?
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Tolland County- Northeastern CT
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Bill O'Reilly sadly to say represents Neo con from the balcony politics.

Also the Reagan ranch is not in northern California, but the south coast.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Hehe... But aren't you pleased that I at least knew about your Lancaster (in SoCal)?
Yes...but considering the political leanings down there, Im sure people down there have a few choice words about San Francisco.
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:59 PM
 
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That being said, however, I do believe there's something about "San Francisco values" that's antithetical to what's made America great.

I've been to S.F. and found the place very scenic, physically beautiful, and charming. As big cities go, it's almost like a giant adult playground. Oh, but how surface looks are deceiving...

Rampant immorality...self-gratification...self-indulgence...materialism...rejection of God, the Bible, and the traditional family structure...loathing of the military that protects us...support of socialism & the welfare state...embracing anything weird, bizarre and anti-American...living for the present, never caring about the future...the whole hippie "gotta be me!" culture...disdain and condescension toward us "flyover" (Heartland) folks who don't share their beliefs...
self-gratification, self-indulgence, materialism, living in the present, and welfare are defining American characteristics, not anti-American! It's strange to me how the neocons have been able to twist the ideals of this country with religion in recent years to something completely different from what it was - instead of welfare and caring about your fellow citizens, now it's social oppression (reference "rampant immorality") and capitalism that are supposedly 'Christian values'.
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Old 12-05-2007, 02:28 PM
 
Location: At Sea....and Midwest....
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Indeed self-indulgence and self-gratification ARE NOW defining American Characteristics. As well as......self-mutilation self-destruction self-aggrandizement self-loathing self-promotion self-delusion self-deception suicide and a 'kulture' of 'if it feels good push it till it hurts' all the while maintaining that it is your 'right' to suck....and to attack viciously anyone who criticizes such deranged actions and the general decline of humanity.....
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