Walnut Creek vs Emeryville (San Francisco, Compton: mortgage, credit score, to live)

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by clongirl

I quite relieved I don't live in Pleasanton any more. No bad "vibes" for me either...just a lot of Hummer driving jocks with a lot of new $$. Too many fancy cars and women (white or otherwise!) that spent all their time in the mall getting "mani/pedis". I'm a paint my toenails all by myself kinda gal!

Ugh, yeah I would hat to live around that too.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Welcome, "Valid Truths". Good of you to pop in and make your first post. We haven't seen you around here before, by any chance, have we?

I always thought that "racism" included in its definition a power differential. Being that ethnic minorities and other marginalized people generally don't wield the political and economic power in the US, any prejudice some of their members may exhibit isn't correctly termed "racism".

Completely off-topic for this forum, but that is exactly what one is taught in Sociology class. However, many of us (of all races) disagreed with the premise at the time; a hypothetical situation was made if a white person went into Sweet Jimmie's (mostly black nightclub) and was the victim of discrimination, would it not be true role reversal? Our instructor made the case the larger society was still run by the white power structure, therefore it could not be true racism. I disagree (particularly where the political power structure which is no longer majorically white).

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Natural510

Completely off-topic for this forum, but that is exactly what one is taught in Sociology class. However, many of us (of all races) disagreed with the premise at the time; a hypothetical situation was made if a white person went into Sweet Jimmie's (mostly black nightclub) and was the victim of discrimination, would it not be true role reversal? Our instructor made the case the larger society was still run by the white power structure, therefore it could not be true racism. I disagree (particularly where the political power structure which is no longer majorically white).

First of all, the majority of our political system is still mostly white, are you kidding me?

Secondly, I think what you describe is the difference between racism and bigotry.

Anyway, we've strayed way off.

[ttocs99]

The only people I hate are racists. Wait, does that make me a racist ?

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

That phrase makes no sense.

As for the rest of your post, people do say things like that.

People do say things, but people treat it differently.

If a White person says, I want to live in a White area... the person will basically get blasted and called a racist, trust fund baby, they shouldn't move here etc.

If a Black persons says, I want to live in a Black area... the person will get all kinds of non-judgemental help.

^^^^
Reverse racism

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by Valid Truths

Reverse Racism is a form of admission that White people are the sole enforcers of racism. By saying something is reverse is implying that it's rare and a reverse from the norm. So you're admitting that White people commit the overwhelming majority of Racism.

Are you saying that when something happens to a white person it deserves a special name like "Reverse Racism". Sounds like you have a superiority complex and think Whites deserve a special class of racism called "Reverse racism". Racism is Racism right?

Yes, racism is racism. The problem is... Whites are held to a much higher standard. You can even see it in threads here. Someone posted a thread saying I'm White and want to live in a White area and he was slammed, ohh the Bay Area isn't for you, we like diversity, don't come here etc. Soon after someone posted another thread, saying I'm Black and I want to live in a Black area and no one said, we like diversity, don't move here, etc. People condemned the White person who wanted to live in a White area, but welcomed the Black person who wanted to live in a Black area. Reverse racism.

[jade408]

Not quite. The white poster said "I want to live in a white area because minorities are icky"

You can have preferences without slamming the people who don't meet your preferences.

Racism is about power. Until the power structure is completely different, racism is a white issue. Prejudice and bigotry are equal opportunity. All 3 of those things are not the same but can have similar consequences.


I am on my phone, please forgive the typos.

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by jade408

Not quite. The white poster said "I want to live in a white area because minorities are icky"

You can have preferences without slamming the people who don't meet your preferences.

Racism is about power. Until the power structure is completely different, racism is a white issue. Prejudice and bigotry are equal opportunity. All 3 of those things are not the same but can have similar consequences.


I am on my phone, please forgive the typos.

Racism is racism... a Black person hating Asians, a Asian person hating Hispanics, a White person hating Blacks... it's all the same. If you say it's only racism if it is a White person, than that is what I refer to as reverse racism and a hypocrite.

[aslowdodge]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Yes, racism is racism. The problem is... Whites are held to a much higher standard. You can even see it in threads here. Someone posted a thread saying I'm White and want to live in a White area and he was slammed, ohh the Bay Area isn't for you, we like diversity, don't come here etc. Soon after someone posted another thread, saying I'm Black and I want to live in a Black area and no one said, we like diversity, don't move here, etc. People condemned the White person who wanted to live in a White area, but welcomed the Black person who wanted to live in a Black area. Reverse racism.

I think you are right. I have been on this forum long enough to have seen examples of this very thing you speak of. It's too bad. I can understand if someone feels more community living in an area with many of their
own race. Some people have relatives that are older living with them and would have an easier time integrating with their own race, language, etc. if there are more of their own kind around.
Only when someone says they don't want to live in an area full of xx race because ( enter derogatory trait) does it become a racist comment.
In truth there will always be people looking for any opportunity to pull out the race card. It's not just here
, I've seen it on many other forums too.

[matt345]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Yes, racism is racism. The problem is... Whites are held to a much higher standard. You can even see it in threads here. Someone posted a thread saying I'm White and want to live in a White area and he was slammed, ohh the Bay Area isn't for you, we like diversity, don't come here etc. Soon after someone posted another thread, saying I'm Black and I want to live in a Black area and no one said, we like diversity, don't move here, etc. People condemned the White person who wanted to live in a White area, but welcomed the Black person who wanted to live in a Black area. Reverse racism.

I've seen it on this forum too. I've read posts on here complaining about San Francisco's apparent "lack of diversity", saying that it's becoming a city primarily of Whites and Asians. First of all, that's a pretty insulting statement to make, as if Asians (who come from VERY diverse backgrounds in and of themselves) somehow don't count when it comes to measuring a place's diversity Second, can you imagine if the role were reversed and someone started complaining about someplace becoming a city primarily of Blacks?