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Old 02-17-2014, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Good article in Salon about the shifting politics of SF.

http://www.salon.com/2014/02/16/san_..._liberal_city/
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Old 02-17-2014, 03:55 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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I would've missed this one if you hadn't posted, Jade. Thank you!
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Old 02-17-2014, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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Don't forget too that many older gays from SF have been streaming to much more affordable Palm Springs.
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Old 02-17-2014, 04:34 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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Don't forget too that many older gays from SF have been streaming to much more affordable Palm Springs.
Sfs gay population is extremely conservative, outside gay rights issues.
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Old 02-17-2014, 04:50 PM
 
Location: US
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I hope SF comes more toward the middle! I hate extremes whether far right or far left. Either extreme will ruin the future.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Sfs gay population is extremely conservative, outside gay rights issues.
Um, it is?

Most of my SF gay friends are very, very 'liberal' and vote dem no matter what.

Super wealthy gays might be fiscally conservative, but you're not going to find many gays who side with the Republican agenda that's trying to put a stop to gay marriage, reduce birth control/access to abortion, restrict voting rights, teach creationism in public schools, etc. Even my good friends from WV and TN held their nose and voted for Obama even though they can't stand him.

Now, if you're insinuating that the Castro crowd is pretty insular and racist, I will definitely agree.
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:03 PM
 
Location: oakland / berkeley
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As far as the terms have any meaning, in my experience, the overwhelming majority of people in the Bay Area are "social liberal" on issues of identity and sexuality. Gay and trans* rights, sexism and racism, abortion and contraception, drugs, free speech, religion, social justice, etc.

However, the "national consensus" and progress on many long-standing liberal causes (gay marriage, drug reform, universal healthcare) has in some ways reduced solidarity between two major "social liberal" coalition camps that are otherwise bitterly opposed on economic issues -- "socialist/progressives" who are ok with direct redistribution and government intervention and "classical liberals" who believe markets solve problems more efficiently than government solutions.

So while 90% of people in the region will vote Democrat, the above factions are deeply divided on many issues:
Ellis Act
Subsidized vs. market rate units
Rent control
Height and density limits
"As of right" development vs. Discretionary Review and voter approval
Gentrification
Google Busses
Mid-market payroll tax breaks
Venture capital backed growth vs. small scale mom-and-pop
Formula retail

Last edited by wooliemonster; 02-17-2014 at 07:14 PM..
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:32 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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Um, it is?

Most of my SF gay friends are very, very 'liberal' and vote dem no matter what.

Super wealthy gays might be fiscally conservative, but you're not going to find many gays who side with the Republican agenda that's trying to put a stop to gay marriage, reduce birth control/access to abortion, restrict voting rights, teach creationism in public schools, etc. Even my good friends from WV and TN held their nose and voted for Obama even though they can't stand him.

Now, if you're insinuating that the Castro crowd is pretty insular and racist, I will definitely agree.
Fiscally conservative and racist, seems pretty conservative to me. Maybe closet conservative.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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People really get 'progressive', 'liberal', and 'conservative' mixed up these days.

I think SF is actually very liberal, but nowhere near as progressive as other cities like Portland or Seattle.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:07 PM
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Actually they mix up progressive, liberal and conservative....

Seattle is NOT very progressive, Portland is.

Seattle talks.....however, I live in central Washington where we have the county owning the means of production in the form of public power. A government owned fiber optic broadband system for over a decade before Google even thought about it. A Doctor's owned co-op for medical service....and on and on.

This county has not voted for a Democrat in over 30 years since the Democrats started their war on rural areas in 1980.

Conservative and progressive is alive and well as an option.
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