Any other San Franciscans like gentrification? (San Francisco, Oakland: rentals, condos, house)

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

I meant, it could get weird if all the service people have to live in the East Bay and Daly City, and commute to the city to staff the hotels, restaurants and coffee shows. It's already weird enough.

Yeah, as Jade said, those places are already unaffordable to people working service jobs.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Th fix is actually easy, build more housing than their is demand and prices will fall.

San Francisco, like most of the Bay Area is full of NIMBY's that will do whatever it takes to stunt growth. Leading to higher and higher housing prices, benefiting those same NIMBY's who own the current property.

It may even be easier than that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/op...ight.html?_r=0

I’ve recently joined the ranks of San Francisco landlords who have decided that it’s better to keep an apartment empty than to lease it to tenants. Together, we have left vacant about 10,600 rental units. That’s about five percent of the city’s total — or enough space to house up to 30,000 people in a city that barely tops 800,000.

.....after renting out a one-bedroom apartment in my home for several years, I will never do it again. San Francisco’s anti-landlord housing laws and political climate make it untenable.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

Yeah, as Jade said, those places are already unaffordable to people working service jobs.

Unless they stack a small army in each house/apartment. All these highly-paid people wanting to live large need all the "little people" to do the dirty work to float their lifestyles, but don't want them to live anywhere near where they do, since the worker bees need to squeeze a lot of low incomes under one roof just to get by.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Unless they stack a small army in each house/apartment. All these highly-paid people wanting to live large need all the "little people" to do the dirty work to float their lifestyles, but don't want them to live anywhere near where they do, since the worker bees need to squeeze a lot of low incomes under one roof just to get by.

Agreed. The worker bees are going to have to get wise and vote with their feet and leave...Unforunately, they don't. And I suppose if they did, we'd just import more illegal immigrants to do the work. Very frustrating.

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Wherefore shall we find these vast expanses that don't already feature thorough buildout, congestion, no parking, dilapidated infrastructure, noise, stink, and people disconnected from their community, only to add more of the same? Not exactly oodles of room in SF.

There isn't oodles of room in SF, which is why the only way to increase supply is to build UP like in many cities in Asia. If you aren't willing to see that happen, then you can't complain about outrageous home/rent prices.

[Bisaro TMF]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Th fix is actually easy, build more housing than their is demand and prices will fall.

San Francisco, like most of the Bay Area is full of NIMBY's that will do whatever it takes to stunt growth. Leading to higher and higher housing prices, benefiting those same NIMBY's who own the current property.

How does that help? San Francisco is building a bunch of new Condo's right downtown and surrounding but they are completly unaffordable. They are building for the rich. Oakland the same thing. All those uptown Condo's & Apartments are unaffordable for most people. The Grand has 1 bedrooms renting for $3300

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Bisaro TMF

How does that help? San Francisco is building a bunch of new Condo's right downtown and surrounding but they are completly unaffordable. They are building for the rich. Oakland the same thing. All those uptown Condo's & Apartments are unaffordable for most people. The Grand has 1 bedrooms renting for $3300

The price is high because they have not built enough, demand is still far outpacing supply. The city went years without building anything meaningful. High rises need to be built for years to increase supply in a meaningful way.

The cost of the new housing will be high, but it lowers the cost of old housing since the older housing is less desirable than the new housing. This, plus allowing 2nd unit conversions (like garages) while giving the property owner some protection would help a bunch as well. Maybe a good balance is easing renter protections in properties where the owner lives on site.

[sf_arkitect]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Dolores Park hit again by vandals - SFGate

This is a common occurrence and I'm sure it wasn't committed by a tech person earning a good income. This is one of the main reasons why I like gentrification because unfortunately there is a very real correlation between low income people and crime/vandalism/etc.

WOW....literally how ignorant can you get? bmw335xi.....are you serious?

The first people to respond to your ignorant and embarrassing post are completely right about vandalism and stupid behavior not being confined to low income people.

In addition, because the city is being gentrified so much - the middle/working classes are being hollowed out of San Francisco.

All that will be left are the extremes of immensely wealthy people and the have nots (homeless, etc.). How is that healthy for any urban environment? The extremely low income - to no income at all will probably remain in the city no matter how gentrified it gets.

I would think it would be better for the city's long term economic health if the majority of it's inhabitants were middle class and the two extremes on either side of them (the super rich and the super poor) were the minorities in the city.

[shooting4life]

I'll need to drive through Palo Alto on my way home today to check for all this vandalism that is supposed to be happening in affluent neighborhoods everyone keeps talking about.

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

I'll need to drive through Palo Alto on my way home today to check for all this vandalism that is supposed to be happening in affluent neighborhoods everyone keeps talking about.

Don't forget to drive through Hillsborough as well, that place is covered with graffiti, vandalism and random crime from those pesky affluent people! If you want to see how society should be just drive through West Oakland, International, Hunter's Point and Tenderloin to get an idea on how great society can be!