Where to meet relatively conservative people? (tax, live, law)

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by PlainWhite

No, lots of free-thinking progressives here. For haters you'd have to visit a red state.

Because only so-called progressives can be free thinking and can never be haters. right?

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by clongirl

I'm a liberal but my very good friend and her husband lean conservative/libertarian. We DO sometimes talk politics and don't get into heated arguments about it nor does it effect my friendship with them whatsoever. Friends show one another respect...that's what real friends do. I don't think you should only specifically seek out people that think exactly like you. You get to know people first and DON'T discuss politics right off the bat. When/if your friendship blossoms over their good personal qualities, then these things can be brought up and hopefully you can have a debate/discussion/understanding like grown ups, and go back to drinking your pints/shots.

Yes, I agree with this. Unfortunately, we're being conditioned to demonize anyone who doesn't think like us. Part of the reason for that is since the mid 1960s, people have been moving to areas where everyone thinks the same. Blue areas are more blue. Red areas are more red. This makes people on both sides more extreme in their views than they otherwise would be. It also serves the elites well. Keep people divided so they can be ruled over.

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[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by silverkris

Folks, we live in a civil society, a "we society" not a "me society". Funny, liberals are often derided for being self-indulgent and selfish - but you've just defined conservatives as people who are small minded and care little except about themselves.

It isn't just conservatives who need to be reminded of this. Lots of people who vote for liberals do it because they're dependent on government largesse in one form or another.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

Many us of fled deeply conservative areas and the last thing we want to do is roll out the welcome mat for people who chased us away.......

......and unfortunately created a new brand of intolerance to replace the one they were chased away from.

[WizardOfRadical]

Conservatives in the bay area just stand out and look stupid. It's just like, don't speak. Just shut up and troll the internet. No one outside of the 925 and a few other areas takes you seriously. Just move away already.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

It isn't just conservatives who need to be reminded of this. Lots of people who vote for liberals do it because they're dependent on government largesse in one form or another.

So what accounts for all those folks in the red states who are poor and on welfare yet vote for folks who go against their beliefs and interests?

Look, it's silly to stereotype and generalize on voter behavior.

[Jowel]

Originally Posted by silverkris

So what accounts for all those folks in the red states who are poor and on welfare yet vote for folks who go against their beliefs and interests?

Look, it's silly to stereotype and generalize on voter behavior.

I can answer this as someone who is in a state that's been right winged for a while but has taken a nose dive to the red recently. What causes voting against self interests? It's because of the worst form of social conservatism comprised of fear and bigotry that account for this. Many of the tea party types are selling all kinds of propaganda, everything from the liberals are coming for your guns, the liberals are going to abolish opposite sex marriage, the liberals hate America and are pushing socialism by supporting a minimum wage hike, and on and on it goes with all kinds of ridiculous statements (some of the other bigotry and slap in the face to every constitutional amendment, except the 2nd, that spews out of these people is too offensive to repeat-- i.e. think of the nasty propaganda that goes on social media and Snopes refutes but people still buy into).

And then these wingnuts have the audacity to come out and say "I'm a politician of the people. We all share my values." I think to myself "this is a delusion of grandeur you're having and you absolutely don't represent me or anything I believe in". BTW, I'm not even a hardcore liberal, but someone considered a "liberal" in NC would be a moderate, or even more likely, a conservative in CA. I don't live in your area, but I can bet many of these same far right people who win by a landslide here would get laughed out of the ballot box in the Bay Area.

And economically, the quality of life is much worse in the rural areas that are more economically depressed and not surprisingly, to the hard right politically. It's tough because I want to feel sorry for some of those folks because they're struggling, but at the same time, it's tough to, because they brought on the kind of legislation, and the poverty and despair that should be beneath a civilized country on themselves.

Thank you for bearing with the rant, but I wanted to answer your question as someone who finds it depressing to see this play itself out way too close to home.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

Conservatives in the bay area just stand out and look stupid. It's just like, don't speak. Just shut up and troll the internet. No one outside of the 925 and a few other areas takes you seriously. Just move away already.

Illuminating

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Jowel

I can answer this as someone who is in a state that's been right winged for a while but has taken a nose dive to the red recently. What causes voting against self interests? It's because of the worst form of social conservatism comprised of fear and bigotry that account for this. Many of the tea party types are selling all kinds of propaganda, everything from the liberals are coming for your guns, the liberals are going to abolish opposite sex marriage, the liberals hate America and are pushing socialism by supporting a minimum wage hike, and on and on it goes with all kinds of ridiculous statements (some of the other bigotry and slap in the face to every constitutional amendment, except the 2nd, that spews out of these people is too offensive to repeat-- i.e. think of the nasty propaganda that goes on social media and Snopes refutes but people still buy into).

And then these wingnuts have the audacity to come out and say "I'm a politician of the people. We all share my values." I think to myself "this is a delusion of grandeur you're having and you absolutely don't represent me or anything I believe in". BTW, I'm not even a hardcore liberal, but someone considered a "liberal" in NC would be a moderate, or even more likely, a conservative in CA. I don't live in your area, but I can bet many of these same far right people who win by a landslide here would get laughed out of the ballot box in the Bay Area.

And economically, the quality of life is much worse in the rural areas that are more economically depressed and not surprisingly, to the hard right politically. It's tough because I want to feel sorry for some of those folks because they're struggling, but at the same time, it's tough to, because they brought on the kind of legislation, and the poverty and despair that should be beneath a civilized country on themselves.

Thank you for bearing with the rant, but I wanted to answer your question as someone who finds it depressing to see this play itself out way too close to home.

Did you watch the last democratic debate? Because sanders and Hillary were both promoting socialist views, Bernie more so.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Did you watch the last democratic debate? Because sanders and Hillary were both promoting socialist views, Bernie more so.

None of what either Hillary or Bernie has said is out of the mainstream of American thought nor are they inconsistent with what the Constitution allows the US Government to do. You're just using "socialism" as a catch-all term for stuff you don't like.

Let's try to get back on topic, or just end it - it's digressed into something from the Politics thread.