Bay Bridge Protesters Blaming thr rest of us for Slavery & Racism? (Montclair: school, colleges)

[the happy guy]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

I just dont get why BLM people arent at least just as vocal and at least just as angry on TV, in the news, on social media. All I see are devastated mothers crying when their son is gunned down calling for an end to the violence. Might I say again, those kinds of killings are by far the number 1 cause of Black homicides.

That should be the focal point in my extremely humble opinion.

I don't think you are wrong either. It's my understanding that the primary focus of BLM is state violence and the role it has in creating/contributing to other issues, but I do not know to what extent they focus on those other issues. As you've suggested, perhaps they should extend their visible focus and become more vocal about other issues, especially as they are in the international spotlight.

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Yes, be outraged, but every local incident thus far Ive seen has really garnered very little sympathy and horribly bad PR for the movement, right?

People are NOT relating with the cause because they are so p*ssed off about being stuck in traffic.

Revenge is not blocking the freeway, revenge is graduating from college. IJS.

I understand. I do think there should be other, perhaps innovative, ways to gardner and mobilize support

[zitsky]

Is it a myth that most African Americans are killed by other African Americans? I know I read that somewhere. Is it true? What is BLM doing about that?

[jade408]

Originally Posted by zitsky

Is it a myth that most African Americans are killed by other African Americans? I know I read that somewhere. Is it true? What is BLM doing about that?

Most everyone is killed by people of their own ethnic group. Crime is rarely interracial. So white people get killed by white people, Asians by Asians etc. And most people are killed by people they know.

There are structural issues that make violence more common in areas with concentrated poverty. That is what we need to solve for: eliminating concentrated poverty.

It would also be good to note that there were many thriving African-American districts in cities all over the country and they were purposely destroyed by redevelopment and other programs that destroyed thriving neighborhoods, took away properties and destroyed communities leading to concentrated poverty and causing segregation. In Oakland the West Oakland BART station and Highway 24 did the destroying.

[zitsky]

Originally Posted by jade408

Most everyone is killed by people of their own ethnic group. Crime is rarely interracial. So white people get killed by white people, Asians by Asians etc. And most people are killed by people they know.

There are structural issues that make violence more common in areas with concentrated poverty. That is what we need to solve for: eliminating concentrated poverty.

It would also be good to note that there were many thriving African-American districts in cities all over the country and they were purposely destroyed by redevelopment and other programs that destroyed thriving neighborhoods, took away properties and destroyed communities leading to concentrated poverty and causing segregation. In Oakland the West Oakland BART station and Highway 24 did the destroying.

I only have two issues with what you wrote. First, I grew up poor but it didn't mean I was out looking to hurt someone or steal something. So poverty should not be an excuse to commit crime. "I'm sorry officer, I couldn't help myself. I was poor." Second, redevelopment affects not just the black community but others as well. I have a hard time believing that when cities plan redevelopment, those evil planners deliberately destroy black communities so as to keep them oppressed.

[SocSciProf]

Originally Posted by zitsky

Second, redevelopment affects not just the black community but others as well. I have a hard time believing that when cities plan redevelopment, those evil planners deliberately destroy black communities so as to keep them oppressed.

Believe what you want, but evidence says you are wrong to doubt. Redevelopment and city planning have long been tools for solidifying understandings of who counts and who does not. Here's the first paragraph of work by Professor Ronald H. Bayor at the Georgia Institute of Technology:

Racially segregated cities are evident throughout America. In Chicago and New York as well as in Richmond and Atlanta, blacks and whites usually live in different neighborhoods or sections of the city. The creation of these separate racial enclaves is the result of decades-old migration patterns coupled with governmental involvement in restricting the black population. Urbanists are most familiar with efforts to contain the black population that involved racial zoning, the location of public housing projects, or urban renewal. Many cities employed these tactics with effective but pernicious results. Recent studies on both northern and southern cities illustrate the commonality of these efforts and the turmoil they created in twentieth-century cities as ghettos were maintained or recreated in other parts of the metropolis. One other segregation tactic has received much less attention but nonetheless played a significant role in the attempt to sustain racial ghettos and control black migration. The use of highways and roads as a planning tool to segregate has a long and overlooked role in developing cities' racial enclaves. In Atlanta, the "city too busy to hate" and a symbol of "New South" growth, change, and racial moderation, there was a strong connection between race and highway-road planning. Although the highways and roads proved over time to be only temporary barriers to black residential mobility, the Atlanta experience reveals the role of race in the physical shaping of the city beyond the usual tactics of urban renewal and racial zoning.

This comes from his paper, "Roads to Racial Segregation: Atlanta in the Twentieth Century", published in 1988 in the Journal of Urban History. Yes, he says the effect was temporary. By that he means other forces (e.g., migration) changed the urban landscape again. But, temporary or no, the paper documents the impact and intent behind the policies.

[jade408]

Originally Posted by zitsky

I only have two issues with what you wrote. First, I grew up poor but it didn't mean I was out looking to hurt someone or steal something. So poverty should not be an excuse to commit crime. "I'm sorry officer, I couldn't help myself. I was poor." Second, redevelopment affects not just the black community but others as well. I have a hard time believing that when cities plan redevelopment, those evil planners deliberately destroy black communities so as to keep them oppressed.

Being poor doesn't mean you lack morals, but lack of opportunity can make certain behaviors more common. Like drug dealing. People aren't getting into dealing drugs because they want to create addicts. They want a way to make enough money to support their families or loved ones. And it is a job you can get. Obviously evil people are evil no matter what. But desperation can cause you to make decisions you might not ordinarily make. There is pretty complicated psychology around decision making. And sometimes choosing to commit a crime is rooted in creating control in your world of chaos or many other reasons.

SoSciProf addressed this, but this article gives you an excellent primer on all the ways policy created a lack of economic opportunity for black people on many levels. And the goal was to impact black communities, not just any community.
The Making of Ferguson: Public Policies at the Root of its Troubles | Economic Policy Institute

And then read this. But don't let the clickbait word of reparations fool you....this was systemic and lasted well into the 60s-70s.
The Case for Reparations by Ta-Nehisi Coates - The Atlantic

And if you feel like reading a book, try this one*:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/034...=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

*I got a digital copy on my Nook a few years ago, or you can check the website out.

Hopefully this gives you a better picture on just how systemic this injustice is and how long it has happened. And how recently these policies continued.

[Lockdev]

Jangus christ.

It's hard out there. It's hard for whites. It's hard for blacks.

We have a black president, yet these people still think whitey is holding them down.

They're only holding themselves down.

[SocSciProf]

Originally Posted by Lockdev

Jangus christ.

It's hard out there. It's hard for whites. It's hard for blacks.

We have a black president, yet these people still think whitey is holding them down.

They're only holding themselves down.

It is hard out there, for blacks, whites, and non-black non-whites. Still, do you really believe that one black president means blacks can't be held down? Do you really believe the 98% non-black Senate has absolutely NOTHING to do with laws in the U.S.? Do you really believe that the 495 non-black CEOs out of the Fortune 500 have NOTHING to do with economic distribution in the U.S.?

If you believe any of those things, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by SocSciProf

It is hard out there, for blacks, whites, and non-black non-whites. Still, do you really believe that one black president means blacks can't be held down? Do you really believe the 98% non-black Senate has absolutely NOTHING to do with laws in the U.S.? Do you really believe that the 495 non-black CEOs out of the Fortune 500 have NOTHING to do with economic distribution in the U.S.?

If you believe any of those things, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Having a black leader as the president goes a long way in keeping blacks held up.

It sounds racist to say that just because a CEO or Senator is white (or non-white for that matter) to be inherently against blacks or any other particular group.

Their have been socialist mechanisms in place for 50-80 years; it's time that groups stop blaming society, and that the individual support themselves and make their way in society. There have been plenty of black individuals who can be used as role models that have been economically and socially successful who didn't need to stop bridges and break laws.

In my personal career, there have been two different black women that are on my list of role models whom I learned from and respected and I'm not black (not while either).

[Samiamnh]

BLM is not a grass route group seeking racial justice........they are PAID to demonstrate by various progressive groups who love to stir up racial strife....google it up and see for yourself.