I know how we can fight against housing prices (Hayward: middle-class, apartment)

[Scrat335]

I really think people should just accept the fact that if we're ever going to solve the whole slough of problems that comes from population density issues is to go big and high. I mean really fricking big and really fricking high.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology

Start working towards these with a building a mile square and build it 30 stories high. 500 family sized apartments on each floor. We're capable of doing it in both tech and resources. It doesn't have to be self sufficient and fancy just efficient in purpose and utilization of resources.

You Californians are weird and frankly, no too freaking bright.

[Ultrarunner]

There have been huge development just as you speak... housing projects and many have been demolished as abject failures.

[bodyforlife99]

Originally Posted by Scrat335

I really think people should just accept the fact that if we're ever going to solve the whole slough of problems that comes from population density issues is to go big and high. I mean really fricking big and really fricking high.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology

Start working towards these with a building a mile square and build it 30 stories high. 500 family sized apartments on each floor. We're capable of doing it in both tech and resources. It doesn't have to be self sufficient and fancy just efficient in purpose and utilization of resources.

You Californians are weird and frankly, no too freaking bright.

Yep, and a short term fix that solves nothing is apparently smarter.



Yet another one that just doesn't get it.

[Lockdev]

Originally Posted by Scrat335

I really think people should just accept the fact that if we're ever going to solve the whole slough of problems that comes from population density issues is to go big and high. I mean really fricking big and really fricking high.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology

Start working towards these with a building a mile square and build it 30 stories high. 500 family sized apartments on each floor. We're capable of doing it in both tech and resources. It doesn't have to be self sufficient and fancy just efficient in purpose and utilization of resources.

You Californians are weird and frankly, no too freaking bright.

I think the real solution to the problem is population control and eugenics, but that seems to be a very touchy subject in liberal areas. The reality of the situation is often too much for many people and they'd rather stick their fingers in their ears and yell "lalalala".

Let's face it: the world is starting to have too many people.

I think the carrying capacity of the world is 10 billion. We're going to reach that number in many of our lifetimes. When millions of people start starving, it's going to make for a very ugly world. It's something we can avoid, humanely.

The current urban housing situation is just another example of a problem that could be solved by restricting reproduction.

[neutrino78x]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

There have been huge development just as you speak... housing projects and many have been demolished as abject failures.

That's not really what we're talking about. We're talking about condos designed to replace what would otherwise be a huge suburban neighborhood of SFHs. Market rate.

Although I agree that we should ALSO build some condo buildings for BMR, what we're talking about right now is market rate stuff, designed for people who make the median income in the area (which in San Jose is 100k).

It's good that more people other than myself are coming on here and speaking the truth, that we need denser housing in the Bay Area. We're never going to be able to put millions of people in SFHs in a finite area. You have to start building vertically and densely at some point.

People who want a SFH can go out in the middle of nowhere -- such as the desert in Nevada --and build one there. If you want to live in a big city, you have to accept that you're going to have a smaller living area.

[Ultrarunner]

Many were in the middle of nowhere and the city swallowed them up...

Most of the high density high rise projects are upper middle to luxury.

There are lots of issues that come with boxing people in and I speak from managing rentals...

I am no longer interested in managing complexes as the more people packed into smaller areas result in a compounding of problems...

Just how many people do you propose should live in SF property with limited imported water and earthquakes?

[neutrino78x]

Originally Posted by Lockdev

I think the real solution to the problem is population control and eugenics,

wtf?

but that seems to be a very touchy subject in liberal areas.

Actually most people who subscribe to the evil ChildFree Philosophy are in fact left wing.

Let's face it: the world is starting to have too many people.

Certainly not. In fact, many regions are already reproducing so slowly that they are below the replacement rate and will soon face a net loss of population.

Japan, for example, is rapidly approaching that point.

As U.S. birth rate drops, concern for the future mounts

I think the carrying capacity of the world is 10 billion. We're going to reach that number in many of our lifetimes. When millions of people start starving, it's going to make for a very ugly world. It's something we can avoid, humanely.

Yeah, by using green power and green transportation, large scale desalination, and more efficient techniques for growing food, such as genetically modified crops.

And of course, we will spread the human population to Mars, various moons of the gas giants, and planets orbiting other stars. In the far future, more people will live elsewhere in the solar system and the galaxy than live on Earth.

There is definitely nothing humane or rational or ethical about forcing people not to have children. If humanity dies out, there will no sentient species protecting life on Earth and spreading it to other places.

The current urban housing situation is just another example of a problem that could be solved by restricting reproduction.

Well, you could provide an example for the rest of us by eliminating your consumption of resources. Or you could be part of the ACTUAL solution, which is being smarter about how we consume resources.

[Lockdev]

Originally Posted by neutrino78x

wtf?

Gibberish.

If you're disagreeing with something, chances are it's on the right track.

I would never expect a grown male who earns minimum wage and lives with 3 other adults in a small 1 bedroom apartment to understand world problems.

[Ms.MoneyPenny]

Originally Posted by Lockdev

If you're disagreeing with something, chances are it's on the right track.

I would never expect a grown male who earns minimum wage and lives with 3 other adults in a small 1 bedroom apartment to understand world problems.

If someone is agreeing with eugenics chances are s/he is a racist.

[Scrat335]

I think the real solution to the problem is population control and eugenics, but that seems to be a very touchy subject in liberal areas. The reality of the situation is often too much for many people and they'd rather stick their fingers in their ears and yell "lalalala".

Let's face it: the world is starting to have too many people.

I think the carrying capacity of the world is 10 billion. We're going to reach that number in many of our lifetimes. When millions of people start starving, it's going to make for a very ugly world. It's something we can avoid, humanely.

The current urban housing situation is just another example of a problem that could be solved by restricting reproduction.

You're way off the mark in a few places. Eugenics is just wrong for the species in this world.

If we were really smart as a species we could pack 20 to 40 billion people on this rock. You build up and you build deep. An Arcology is possible to build and it can be done on immense scales. We can live just below ground level and benefit from the open space created above us and the constant temps of living under the surface. We're so stuck in what we have now it will eventually kill us and this world.

We also need to stop killing one another and get off this planet. That too is doable this century.

Problem is half the population and all our leaders have the minds of reptiles.