Cleanest/safest SF neighborhood east of Twin Peaks? (San Francisco, Richmond: apartment, rent)

[mindKILLER]

I've lived in SF for a couple years now and it's not bad. The one thing that has really worn me down is the obscene amount of trash, feces, and homeless people you have to tiptoe over to get to work. We all know the drill.

I was planning to move some time this year (currently in the Castro), and I'm wondering if any non-suburban neighborhoods have fewer crazies walking around. I know some people insist that the hobos are part of the city's charm, but these half-gentrified neighborhoods are not for me. Much as I love coffee.

I was eyeing Lower Pac Heights or the Marina, as both give off more of a well-off yuppie vibe. But it's not like the homeless in the Castro live there (I think), so that may not make a difference.

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by mindKILLER

I've lived in SF for a couple years now and it's not bad. The one thing that has really worn me down is the obscene amount of trash, feces, and homeless people you have to tiptoe over to get to work. We all know the drill.

I was planning to move some time this year (currently in the Castro), and I'm wondering if any non-suburban neighborhoods have fewer crazies walking around. I know some people insist that the hobos are part of the city's charm, but these half-gentrified neighborhoods are not for me. Much as I love coffee.

I was eyeing Lower Pac Heights or the Marina, as both give off more of a well-off yuppie vibe. But it's not like the homeless in the Castro live there (I think), so that may not make a difference.

Hunters point

[jade408]

Chicago.

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by mindKILLER

Are SF natives really so at peace with the homelessness that anyone who's sick of it must be a troll? This place is worse than I thought.

You can go to the Midwest and live in a neighborhood like atherton for 300k.

[clongirl]

Originally Posted by mindKILLER

Are SF natives really so at peace with the homelessness that anyone who's sick of it must be a troll? This place is worse than I thought.

If you actually lived in San Francisco, you'd already know which neighborhoods where you would be least likely to see mentally ill and rampant homelessness.

I don't ever recall anyone on this forum discussing the homeless problem as part of the City's "charm", btw.

The trollish nature of your post is blatantly obvious to anyone that's been on these forums for a while.

If "the place is worse than you thought", you certainly wouldn't be looking to stay and/or pay more for a rent controlled apartment in the Castro (which is a fine neighborhood).

If you lived in the City, you'd know that nobody's at peace with it. What are citizens to do exactly other than vote for people that have better ideas for dealing with the problem? What are YOU doing about it? Troll.

[mindKILLER]

Originally Posted by clongirl

If you actually lived in San Francisco, you'd already know which neighborhoods where you would be least likely to see mentally ill and rampant homelessness.

I don't ever recall anyone on this forum discussing the homeless problem as part of the City's "charm", btw.

The trollish nature of your post is blatantly obvious to anyone that's been on these forums for a while.

If "the place is worse than you thought", you certainly wouldn't be looking to stay and/or pay more for a rent controlled apartment in the Castro (which is a fine neighborhood).

If you lived in the City, you'd know that nobody's at peace with it. What are citizens to do exactly other than vote for people that have better ideas for dealing with the problem? What are YOU doing about it? Troll.

Sounds like I hit a nerve

I'm not some LA or NY native trying to mess with you. If you're not at peace with the problem, then that's great! Neither am I. Which is why I'm wondering if I'll feel comfortable in certain neighborhoods, or if I should just look for work elsewhere in a year or two. I've dropped by the Marina for Susie Cakes but I haven't hung around much. Figured I'd ask in case anyone has experience actually living up there.

Of course every reply so far has been some variant of "if you don't like the homeless, just leave," which maybe explains why I've always felt people were okay with it.

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by mindKILLER

Sounds like I hit a nerve

I'm not some LA or NY native trying to mess with you. If you're not at peace with the problem, then that's great! Neither am I. Which is why I'm wondering if I'll feel comfortable in certain neighborhoods, or if I should just look for work elsewhere in a year or two. I've dropped by the Marina for Susie Cakes but I haven't hung around much. Figured I'd ask in case anyone has experience actually living up there.

Of course every reply so far has been some variant of "if you don't like the homeless, just leave," which maybe explains why I've always felt people were okay with it.

If you hate homeless people you can leave.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by mindKILLER

Sounds like I hit a nerve

I'm not some LA or NY native trying to mess with you. If you're not at peace with the problem, then that's great! Neither am I. Which is why I'm wondering if I'll feel comfortable in certain neighborhoods, or if I should just look for work elsewhere in a year or two. I've dropped by the Marina for Susie Cakes but I haven't hung around much. Figured I'd ask in case anyone has experience actually living up there.

Of course every reply so far has been some variant of "if you don't like the homeless, just leave," which maybe explains why I've always felt people were okay with it.

The bolded is what trolls say. Be careful, or you'll confirm people's suspicions.

But taking your post on good faith, I can only offer suggestions that I'm sure you've already thought of: a move to the East Bay, commuting in to the City, or locations west of Twin Peaks, which you probably regard as too far an in-city commute to your job location, or maybe too foggy. But the Richmond and the Presidio are pretty good locations to avoid homelessness. As to Pacific Heights, that sounds promising. Is there anything stopping you from taking a few strolls through the neighborhood to see for yourself, and strike up chats with local residents?

[mindKILLER]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Is there anything stopping you from taking a few strolls through the neighborhood to see for yourself, and strike up chats with local residents?

Thanks. And I plan on taking a few more strolls soon. Sometimes it's hard to tell what a neighborhood is really like from just a visit or two, but perhaps I'll try and plan my next few outings in the area. Might give the Inner Richmond another try too, though Outer would be pushing it commute-wise.

How is North Beach, by the way? That's another area that felt oddly nice the couple times I visited.

Most of my time in the city has been around Castro, Hayes, Mission, SoMa, etc — I feel like I've barely touched the more northern neighborhoods. My area right now isn't bad, but perhaps there's better out there.

[Western Urbanite]

I would recommend SoMa, North Beach, Nob Hill, Russian Hill, and Noe Valley.