The San Francisco Trash/Needles/Poop in the Streets Containment Thread (transporting, tenants)

[bmw335xi]

There is a reason why SF forum is covered in threads about homeless, human waste, and needles

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Yes ... and what Ghengis doesn’t grasp is that anyone who is incapable of controlling their check can/will have it withheld and applied for them to basics by authorities ... doesn’t take much thought to figure these things out ... but then some folks just aren’t inclinded to think past their preconceived biases and notions.

Now you're going beyond basic income, onto the government paying for their housing and other expenses if they spend their money poorly. Presumably with some kind of subsidized housing like Section 8. So we end out with a system where the poorest and most reckless, like heroin addicts, have their basic needs provided by the government, and everyone else gets a fat monthly check. The first part seems pretty reasonable actually, but I don't think the second part is needed. I do not wish to contribute to the bankrupting of the US.
Free money always sounds nice but eventually the debts become due.

[likealady]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Except that no one who makes those decisions gives a hoot about what you are ok with. And you can't force the homeless to move to another area no matter how badly you want to put them on a barge floating around the pacific it just isn't going to happen.

Boohoo, and none of them care if you want it. This is a forum to discuss topics you know, so I have the right to say I don't want it and vote against it. The rest of you Bernie fans can keep living in your utopian dreamworld.

[WVJeep556]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

You clearly have not been "all over San Francisco" because there are only a few areas impacted by homeless people on the streets.

Nor would I want to. I saw enough enough to not even care to "explore all over". The city is a dump. Plain and simple. Most disgusting place I've ever been in my life. I have no desire to explore other areas based off of what I saw and will never return. I couldn't get to the airport fast enough. Like I said in my original post, I'd rather go back to Iraq or Afghanistan than San Fran.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by WVJeep556

Nor would I want to. I saw enough enough to not even care to "explore all over". The city is a dump. Plain and simple. Most disgusting place I've ever been in my life. I have no desire to explore other areas based off of what I saw and will never return. I couldn't get to the airport fast enough. Like I said in my original post, I'd rather go back to Iraq or Afghanistan than San Fran.

Interesting. Personally, I’ll never forget how beautiful Vietnam is ... in spite of the pockets of devastation I was immersed in 50 years ago.

The City isn’t a dump. Your limited observations are.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by WVJeep556

Nor would I want to. I saw enough enough to not even care to "explore all over". The city is a dump. Plain and simple. Most disgusting place I've ever been in my life. I have no desire to explore other areas based off of what I saw and will never return. I couldn't get to the airport fast enough. Like I said in my original post, I'd rather go back to Iraq or Afghanistan than San Fran.

I love it... a guy from a state best known for opioid addiction and black lung calls San Francisco a dump

[TCROX]

You would love it- making a city a dump is success for the liberals and they want to steal more money to make it worse!

[tstieber]

Originally Posted by TCROX

You would love it- making a city a dump is success for the liberals and they want to steal more money to make it worse!

In your opinion, for what reason would liberals "love" dumpy cities?"

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Use prisoners to work simple jobs for the city to help pay for their room and board. Another simple fix to combat prison costs. And as many people like to say, it doesnt have to make money for it to be worth it. Getting these people off the streets improves the community. I’d only run for president, mayor is too low of a position. Plus I’d rather live in DC than SF, lol.

What about the city workers who already do those jobs, and are union protected? Are you prepared to deal with a sudden increase in unemployment, union lawsuits, and hundreds of formerly-hard-working people collecting unemployment insurance until *however long*?

Not to mention the liability costs of putting prisoners on the streets, even if it's just for xx hours per day. And there's a reason my (county) library doesn't accept court-ordered volunteers... it's just too much of a risk for us, especially since we serve children from the public. Personally I wish we could, but the county decided it wasn't worth it.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

We’ve just covered this, and you come back for more? Great: public drunkeness is a misdemeanor ... no more than a free meal and a bed for a night. Drug possession in small quantities without intent to sell is almost always also charged as a misdemeanor (read above: meal and a bed), unless accompanied by other charges such as robbery and assault in which case possession may optionally be elevated to felony if the prosecutor is targeting the individual for increased sentencing.

Ok. So then you say: ‘Change the damn laws and guidelines!” Right. And while you are doing that, go find the resources it will take to observe, pursue, ... and arrest, jail, try and convict in the courts (hey, the court system has lots and lots of low wage prosecutors, defenders and judges with nothing but time on their hands waiting for something to fall across their desks to keep them from dying of boredom) ... and then, finally, pay $71,000 each prisoner’s annual costs ... only to have them eventually released back to no income, no-low employability, no housing ... and ... wait for it: their previous habits.

Brilliant solution, bmw! Run for mayor! Of course you’d have to move back from Flory-dah to San Francisco.

I love how people think jail is a cheaper option, when really it's just getting them "out of sight, out of mind." It costs the taxpayer WAY more money to house a prisoner than to have them on the streets... but yeah, let's just throw every addict in prison (where drugs are even easier to obtain). Brilliant idea.