The San Francisco Trash/Needles/Poop in the Streets Containment Thread (Anaheim: estimates, assault)

[BlakeJones]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

Seriously, people who don't live in San Francisco/Bay Area - do you really think the city can afford to house every homeless person, when people earning $100K can't even buy a condo here? Maybe we should first try to make the housing we DO have more affordable? But since that isn't happening, I doubt you'll be seeing subsidized high-rises popping up anytime soon.

I repeat: It isn't physical homes that (alone) would solve the problem. I just had to do an all-day training on these issues, and if we're talking about the "chronically homeless," they are dealing with matters WAY beyond the lack of a house... so you've gotta give us more than that, like how to cure thousands with severe mental illnesses and/or chemical dependencies.

Said nothing of the sort. There needs to be relaxed zoning rules so there can be a mass expansion of residential construction, mostly apartments. That will ease the supply squeeze and reduce prices throughout the market. Many of the homeless could be able to afford to pay for their own apartment if prices come down

[nowhereman427]

No such thing exists as affordable housing here anymore.

[jbgusa]

Maybe the poopers consider themselves to be Labrador Retrievers and poop wherever they want. Preferences should trump biological equipment.

[nowhereman427]

You can buy a pooper scooper. They have different types.

[BlakeJones]

Originally Posted by nowhereman427

No such thing exists as affordable housing here anymore.

right, because NIMBYs don't want any more development. People are reaping what they sowed

[likealady]

Originally Posted by BlakeJones

True, SF'ans would rather have sh|t all over the sidewalks than build more housing for the homeless people that are already there

Nobody wants a bunch of high rise slums in a city like SF anyway. The only housing that is really being built right now are things that justify the cost and offer an ROI - i.e. luxury condos.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by DirtBikeRider

The solution to homelessness is houses.

There are house here, there are duplexes, there are apartment complexes, there are RV parks, there are even trailer park homes.

If you can't afford any of the above in the state of CA then move to a state where any of the above are within your budget.

Most of the homeless are not civilized or sane enough to own a home much less hold a job to pay for it.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by BlakeJones

Said nothing of the sort. There needs to be relaxed zoning rules so there can be a mass expansion of residential construction, mostly apartments. That will ease the supply squeeze and reduce prices throughout the market. Many of the homeless could be able to afford to pay for their own apartment if prices come down

With what jobs? Do you think the homeless (generally speaking) are just hard-working folks, who come up a little short on money? Or are on SSI & public benefits? That might describe a small percentage of homeless, but usually that demographic lives in vehicles or with family/roomies... the ones who actually sleep on the STREETS, let alone poop on them, aren't often holding down a job. So unless you're suggesting we give them 100% free housing, which even the most liberal democrats would be unlikely to support, this isn't the solution either.

I already told you the underlying problems, and I know this from working in public services (including a stint at San Francisco Public Library) for over a decade. Just finished a full-day training on serving the homeless, in fact, so these aren't just my personal opinions. And again, I'm talking about the chronically homeless; not someone who's hit a rough patch, and is couch-surfing while they look for work.

[BlakeJones]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

With what jobs? Do you think the homeless (generally speaking) are just hard-working folks, who come up a little short on money?

No, most are drug addicts or mentally ill. There are also plenty that are working homeless, cheaper housing is what would benefit that segment.

[BlakeJones]

Originally Posted by Matadora

If you can't afford any of the above in the state of CA then move to a state where any of the above are within your budget.

Exactly! No one has a god given right to live in any specific city, and governments shouldn't be on the hook to subsidize that desire. There are no shortages of places in this VAST country with cheap housing, they just happen to not be in the 'trendy' cities.