The Bay Area Soiled/Homeless/Infested/Trashed Containment Thread (San Francisco: safe, stations)

[5thgenSF]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Bad progressives for causing increasing homelessness! ... by fostering economic success! ???

there was a story on NPR last night. the effect tesla had on reno by putting in a plant. it brought needed jobs but it devastated their housing market. just like facebook did here. gavin's rental bill is causing a lot of people to get evicted just in time for the holidays, prior to the bill kicking in next january. i voted for him but as with all these people, they just don't think through things that they do and it causes a whole lot of collateral damage. which i guess is a nice way to say we get screwed at the bottom.

[Matadora]

This video sums it up but their conclusions are a bit off.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEOkX9dp85I

How does a society simply accept this is simply the way of life in their city? What does this say about that society?

[bmw335xi]

You know there are corrupt government officials funneling tax money into their own pockets. Other governments are able to do a much better job with a fraction of the budget.

[arleigh]

When you walk past trash saying to yourself, " that piece of paper on the ground is not my responsibility" the litterbug and you both are liberals.

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by arleigh

When you walk past trash saying to yourself, " that piece of paper on the ground is not my responsibility" the litterbug and you both are liberals.

You probably arent from san francisco lol. There is a 50/50 chance you picking up that trash will end up getting homeless poop on your hand, vomit, or you could stick yourself with the hundreds of thousands of needles the city gives to crack heads.

[5thgenSF]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

You know there are corrupt government officials funneling tax money into their own pockets. Other governments are able to do a much better job with a fraction of the budget.

well then maybe you should move there.

[Woody01]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

it’s also true that the rise in homelessness has also occurred in greatest measure, by far, in communities that:
1. Are highly successful economically
and
2. Vote strongly left.

One does not necessarily beget the other....

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Thus one can draw a similar parallel between progressive government and economic success ... which would identify the homelessness problem as a collateral damage of success.

No...it could be that only the homeless problem is due to liberal policies. There are other successful cities that do not have homeless problems to this extent. Look some up....

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Woody01

One does not necessarily beget the other....



No...it could be that only the homeless problem is due to liberal policies. There are other successful cities that do not have homeless problems to this extent. Look some up....

But don't they have "liberal policies" too? Chicago, NYC, DC, etc..don't have "liberal policies"?

[DeanoSF]

Originally Posted by Matadora

This video sums it up but their conclusions are a bit off.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEOkX9dp85I

How does a society simply accept this is simply the way of life in their city? What does this say about that society?

In stating "this report sums it up, but their conclusions are a bit off," you are contradicting yourself. Which is it?

Also, notice how this "investigative report" revisits the same 2% or so of the City that their last investigative report visited? That really is the math--153 blocks of more than 5300 in San Francisco's city limits=less than 3%. Yet, many, including you and the reporters in this video (to some degree), continue to conflate the issues to the entire City.

San Franciscans do not "simply accept" the Tenderloin as our way of life in the 98% of the City where the rest of us live. As a district of San Francisco, The Tenderloin is a dramatic outlier, almost completely avoided by locals, except when visiting some restaurants and bars on the edges of the area.

In fact, the ease of avoiding this area by locals is probably the biggest problem in addressing the concerns portrayed here--out of sight, out of mind. That's not an excuse, just an observation.

Of course we acknowledge the shameful problem of the Tenderloin and homelessness, addiction and mental illness in general here in SF. But videos and reports like this are not designed to illuminate issues.

This video and many of the conclusions it draws are simply further evidence of Right-leaning outsiders' slippery slope logic and disingenuous political agenda, which paints the narrowly observed (yet admitted) failure of The Tenderloin as evidence of a global failure of San Francisco's Liberal and Progressive policies and in fact, Liberal and Progressive policies in general.

Even the reporters in this piece (mostly half-heartedly) acknowledge that the issues are not city-wide. The exact language of this report states that they visited the "block (singular) identified as the dirtiest" and admits to walking only three blocks from there. I'm guessing the 153 block area identified is from the last time they visited this exact same neighborhood.

That said, and to reiterate--the shock and dismay expressed both in this report and by the constant postings by out-of-towners (which includes NBC Bay Area, btw) that one of the most densely populated cities in the US has a poor neighborhood within its boundaries is at best, less-than-honest click-bait as "investigative reporting" goes.

The real dismay and outrage, to me, should be in recognizing how well contained this problem actually is, with admittedly some of the most deplorable, heart wrenching poverty in the country confined to 2% of the City and surrounded by some of the most desirable, highest value property in the country on all sides, yet it can't be more effectively and humanely handled.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by DeanoSF

In stating "this report sums it up, but their conclusions are a bit off," you are contradicting yourself. Which is it?

The video report sums up the filth and lack of civilized behaviors in SF.

The reporters conclusions are off.