The Bay Area Soiled/Homeless/Infested/Trashed Containment Thread (San Jose: loan, garage)

[sav858]

Homeless populations surge 11% in San Jose and 8% in Marin County during COVID

Oakland saw a 24% surge in its homeless population despite efforts to tackle the crisis

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Idaho may have a low crime rate, but it really isn’t because it is simply conservative.

Republican-controlled states have higher murder rates than Democratic ones: study
https://news.yahoo.com/republican-co...212137750.html

This ^^ is a long time, well known fact.

Now break this down some more, which areas in these states have higher crime? Democratic ones or Republican ones? Also we can take this further, how are these crimes happening demographically? Education levels, race, income levels, etc. Someone will say, "Mississippi has low education levels because theyre Republican haha" without realizing it's Blacks which lead that.

You need to understand there are so many layers to this. That yahoo article is a piece of crap that barely touches the surface.

Originally Posted by sav858

Homeless populations surge 11% in San Jose and 8% in Marin County during COVID

The homelessness definitely became more pronounced and the Bay Area and its now claimed megalopolis. I literally saw cars parking on embankments to freeways. Like how the hell did this homeless person even drive it up there and does it stay?

[nowhereman427]

Zombie alerts

[Freesponge]

In other words in order to sleep on the sidewalk of San Francisco or in a BART

1) You would be surveillanced and identified

2) You would receive notices by being tapped on the shoulder at some time between 2am and 6am at night, woken up from the street, and then given a bill

The bill will require a payment be made monthly of $1,800/month per individual. Each month you will have a 30-day window to come up with the cash and drop it off at a certain P.O. Box.

If you do this you will be ok to continue sleeping on the sidewalk and at the end of the month you’ll again receive a tap on the shoulder and notice between 2am and 6am at night with next month’s bill.

If you do not pay this bill, then one of the nights at a time unscheduled and unknown to you, you will be given a warning notice that you have 3 days till eviction. After 3 days you will be taken out of San Francisco, brought to a less comfortable location outside a dump or factory 15 miles outside the city,

and will be told you are no longer allowed to return without getting current on your bills.

Would this strategy be considered harsh? Would San Franciscoans support this if one could appeal for subsidies with public works hours in lieu with some of the $1,800/month ?

[Freesponge]

$1,800/month minimum cost, shelter or no shelter, would indicate that given the inflation economy where pretty much everyone is flushed with cash this could be a new norm

With $1,800 a month paid though you would have homeless rights to live anywhere on the sidewalk that’s not in the way of pedestrian or car traffic or a venue or private property, you would be allowed to use the bathroom at any neighboring restaurant with a public restroom provided, you will also be allowed to receive Mail through USPS the post office closest to your street pickup only mail, and that’s about it. But SF is expensive

[tikkasf]

I do think your plan is workable. I do understand the frustration with the homeless situation leading one to come up with such a plan. If you are a resident of SF, you could submit your plan in writing to the SF Board of Supervisors member that represents your district and also to the mayor........

[Freesponge]

Originally Posted by tikkasf

I do think your plan is workable. I do understand the frustration with the homeless situation leading one to come up with such a plan. If you are a resident of SF, you could submit your plan in writing to the SF Board of Supervisors member that represents your district and also to the mayor........

To be generous we could throw in a storage unit for belongings and valuables

[tikkasf]

Originally Posted by Freesponge

To be generous we could throw in a storage unit for belongings and valuables

Your plan (if it was a serious one in the first place) is going to be DOA.....

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Freesponge

In other words in order to sleep on the sidewalk of San Francisco or in a BART

1) You would be surveillanced and identified

2) You would receive notices by being tapped on the shoulder at some time between 2am and 6am at night, woken up from the street, and then given a bill

The bill will require a payment be made monthly of $1,800/month per individual. Each month you will have a 30-day window to come up with the cash and drop it off at a certain P.O. Box.

If you do this you will be ok to continue sleeping on the sidewalk and at the end of the month you’ll again receive a tap on the shoulder and notice between 2am and 6am at night with next month’s bill.

If you do not pay this bill, then one of the nights at a time unscheduled and unknown to you, you will be given a warning notice that you have 3 days till eviction. After 3 days you will be taken out of San Francisco, brought to a less comfortable location outside a dump or factory 15 miles outside the city,

and will be told you are no longer allowed to return without getting current on your bills.

Would this strategy be considered harsh? Would San Franciscoans support this if one could appeal for subsidies with public works hours in lieu with some of the $1,800/month ?

What?!

Originally Posted by Freesponge

$1,800/month minimum cost, shelter or no shelter, would indicate that given the inflation economy where pretty much everyone is flushed with cash this could be a new norm

With $1,800 a month paid though you would have homeless rights to live anywhere on the sidewalk that’s not in the way of pedestrian or car traffic or a venue or private property, you would be allowed to use the bathroom at any neighboring restaurant with a public restroom provided, you will also be allowed to receive Mail through USPS the post office closest to your street pickup only mail, and that’s about it. But SF is expensive

What?!

Originally Posted by Freesponge

To be generous we could throw in a storage unit for belongings and valuables

What?!

[mattja]

Have you ever seen HBO's The Wire? San Francisco's Tenderloin is "Hamsterdam." Those people will never pay a tax. And if they move them to an industrial area, "Hamsterdam" will move with them. And since there is no infrastructure in the new area, the streets will become even more soiled and it will be a public health nightmare. Better to keep them primarily in the Tenderloin where there are some services.

The real solution is to create new mental health asylums where they are forced to take their meds and access to drugs is difficult because of drug testing. Many of these people are insane and would benefit from 24-hour service. Movies like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) did great damage to these people as it portrayed insane asylums are concentration camps, without providing any sort of alternative, as is the norm with Hollywood social justice efforts.

These people will not take their meds and the public mental health system is woefully inadequate at serving these people's needs. Putting them up in hotels unsupervised is not a solution; homelessness is not a solution.

The clear solution is new asylums, along with forced detox for those who simply choose to be homeless because they can live closer to the drug dealers.