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Old 05-17-2020, 05:56 PM
 
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You all are starting to sound like the tin hat brigade.
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Old 05-17-2020, 06:04 PM
 
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You all are starting to sound like the tin hat brigade.
Well it might be your cellphone that will need a tin costume soon ("contact tracing").
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Old 05-17-2020, 06:17 PM
 
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I wish I could disagree. Your South America comparison is particularly apt (i.e. Brazil). How many watch lists do you think we're on now after these posts?


Right now, many fall into the fallacy that they can surrender their freedoms in exchange for imaginary safety and some benefits, such as small crumbles off the tables of one or another financial/political elite. In reality, it's only free and self-asserting who can get anything at all, otherwise will just end up with the same fate as poor country's right-less citizens, ending up having neither freedom nor safety.

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Old 05-17-2020, 06:37 PM
 
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If there is anything we have learned from this unnecessarily manufactured catastrophe, it is that there should be NO health authorities. No unelected bureaucrats who are just human beings with opinions, like all the rest of us, with any power whatsoever to wield power over us and restrict freedoms without reasonable individual suspicion and due process.

This is madness that never occurred to me that I'd ever see.
Right on. Health advisors, not health authorities. Not un-elected shadow individuals who can strip all constitutional freedoms away from anyone, in a blink, denying one due process which should be guaranteed. It's one step away from putting some undesirable group of people into rail cars and hauling them to places unknown, for some indefinite detention. The two things are not as far from each other as may seem, and not as distant from "today" as may seem.
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Old 05-17-2020, 07:07 PM
 
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Did we learn that? lol
Well, if think about future revolution... It only takes them to release SARS-111 just in time (I'm sure they have entire array of viruses ready for whatever purpose, all that military virology research wasn't wasting time and money on nothing)...or just say that there's deadly SARX-111 out there, shut down everything, and there'll be no revolution, neither democracy, just plain dull endless totalitarian rule of "health authorities", bureaucrats, executive orders, national guard, tear gas, closed borders, including county borders, roadblocks, electronic surveillance, etc. I fully believe that this time is just a test run of upcoming much more serious scenario of restricting human rights (combined with the benefit of blaming economic bubble burst - which was meant to happen in any case - on very timely and convenient epidemic...not to even mention the wealth transfer into the hands of big corp and technocracy).
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Old 05-17-2020, 07:17 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Right on. Health advisors, not health authorities. Not un-elected shadow individuals who can strip all constitutional freedoms away from anyone, in a blink, denying one due process which should be guaranteed. It's one step away from putting some undesirable group of people into rail cars and hauling them to places unknown, for some indefinite detention. The two things are not as far from each other as may seem, and not as distant from "today" as may seem.
Well....I knew it would take a while, but finally a response by a person who understands what I'm talking about.

Nobody saw this coming....because nobody alive has ever seen freedoms evaporate in the USA right before our eyes based on the whims of unelected paranoids. Paranoids at best....treasonous scoundrels 'til proven otherwise.

And yet we have a public that is largely just going with the flow....or, rather, the complete cessation of any flow. It ought to scare all freedom lovers to death.

So I say again to those whose ears were covered the first time. There should be NO HEALTH AUTHORITIES whatsoever. Not in any country that doesn't want to provide a means of becoming a dictatorial absolute ruler faster and easier than the snap of one's fingers for reasons of their own personal choosing. Any time they wish.

Are we going to take the simple action that would make sure this NEVER, EVER happens again? Or are we going to accept the slavery we earn and deserve through continuing pathetically passive obeyance?

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Old 05-17-2020, 07:42 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Well....I knew it would take a while, but finally a response by a person who understands what I'm talking about.

Nobody saw this coming....because nobody alive has ever seen freedoms evaporate in the USA right before our eyes based on the whims of unelected paranoids. Paranoids at best....treasonous scoundrels 'til proven otherwise.

And yet we have a public that is largely just going with the flow....or, rather, the complete cessation of any flow. It ought to scare all freedom lovers to death.

So I say again to those whose ears were covered the first time. There should be NO HEALTH AUTHORITIES whatsoever. Not in any country that doesn't want to provide a means of becoming a dictatorial absolute ruler faster and easier than the snap of one's fingers for reasons of their own personal choosing. Any time they wish.

Are we going to take the simple action that would make sure this NEVER, EVER happens again? Or are we going to accept the slavery we earn and deserve through continuing pathetically passive obeyance?
Sorry CrownVic ... no offense intended. But this “freedom” sermon is amusing. Not because I think you are nuts for your concern or desire ... but because you, like most people, fail to recognize how un-free you / we all are in the clutches of the corporate control we have long been conditioned to believe is feeding us the best foods, the best building materials for our housing, the myriad existential necessities of consumer consumption products, our reliance on energy sucking life support to utilities and fuels ... etc etc etc. All to say nothing of our reliance on corporate food supplies, banking tools and credit ... I mean it’s just endless slavery ... These lifestyles and habits we operate on as irreplaceable are already controlling us more than the theatre of politics that sells itself as representing the electorate.

Hogwash. All of it. And there is virtually no escape from it all.
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Old 05-17-2020, 08:15 PM
 
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Well....I knew it would take a while, but finally a response by a person who understands what I'm talking about.

Nobody saw this coming....because nobody alive has ever seen freedoms evaporate in the USA right before our eyes based on the whims of unelected paranoids. Paranoids at best....treasonous scoundrels 'til proven otherwise.

And yet we have a public that is largely just going with the flow....or, rather, the complete cessation of any flow. It ought to scare all freedom lovers to death.

So I say again to those whose ears were covered the first time. There should be NO HEALTH AUTHORITIES whatsoever. Not in any country that doesn't want to provide a means of becoming a dictatorial absolute ruler faster and easier than the snap of one's fingers for reasons of their own personal choosing. Any time they wish.

Are we going to take the simple action that would make sure this NEVER, EVER happens again? Or are we going to accept the slavery we earn and deserve through continuing pathetically passive obeyance?
Treasonous scoundrels, some not very bright paranoids and all kinds of opportunists...
New dystopian realm of biopolitical control, bio-surveillance and "biosecurity", which tramples everything and everyone (except the top elite).
Yes, nobody saw this coming and all the "conspiracy theories" suddenly becoming reality. Yet, they were preparing: Event 201, Crimson Contagion and one additional exercise, all conducted within 1-1.5 years before this final "live exercise".
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Old 05-18-2020, 11:23 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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And look at how the number of cases are spiking in Texas only a couple weeks into lifting the lockdown. They're likely going to have to close again at some point, due to people acting irresponsibly.
And what about Georgia? It's cases have remained fairly steady even dropping. It was one of the first states to open back up. Their SIP ended on 4/30 except for the medically fragile and elderly. That makes a lot more sense than keeping everyone locked down.
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Old 05-18-2020, 12:26 PM
 
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And what about Georgia? It's cases have remained fairly steady even dropping. It was one of the first states to open back up. Their SIP ended on 4/30 except for the medically fragile and elderly. That makes a lot more sense than keeping everyone locked down.
In looking at Georgia's numbers of cases and deaths, both are about 2x that of California (per capita). I just looked at their numbers and they reported 33 new deaths in the past 24 hours, so I don't think its entirely accurate that they're trending down. If we still see the overall trend lower in a couple weeks, you may have an argument.

I don't think businesses should be completely shut down, but I do think there are certain ones that don't allow social distancing, which shouldn't reopen. This includes hairdressers, nail salons, etc. It is also questionable whether bowling alleys would be deemed essential.

In addition, if people don't take the necessary safety precautions when they open the businesses (both the owner and the patron), yes, they should be shut down again. We all need to act like adults and if we do not, the government needs to step in again.
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