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Old 05-29-2020, 09:36 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Do you really think it's a good idea for a law enforcement officer to make decisions about how to manage a pandemic?
They are just following state guidelines for the pandemic, why is that so bad? I would hardly call that "making decisions about how to manage a pandemic".
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Old 05-29-2020, 09:39 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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well, the mortality rate is higher than .33% but yeah you're right, it's no biggie if the only ones who croak are old or sick
Not according to some of the studies I've seen, either way it's pretty low and doesn't justify the strict lock downs we have seen. Yeah because it makes so much sense to decimate the mental health and livelihoods of younger, healthy adults for the old and sick.
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Old 05-29-2020, 11:10 AM
 
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This just in from Police Chief Rainer Navarro:

While the Governor has set Statewide guidance and a phased approach to reopening, he also has made it abundantly clear that the local Health Officer is empowered to establish their own thresholds and requirements. In Sonoma County, each law enforcement agency is responsible for carrying out enforcement of the Health Officer’s orders within their respective jurisdiction. Nothing has changed for the City of Santa Rosa. The Santa Rosa Police Department will continue to support the Health Officer, who is the subject matter expert, leading a safe, strategic, and data-driven process for reopening. We eagerly look forward to additional allowances in the upcoming weeks, when it is determined safe to do so, but throughout those amendments, our agency will continue to respond to health order violations.

We are committed to working closely with the City Attorney, Sonoma County Counsel, District Attorney’s Office, and Sonoma County Health Officer, to address any health order violations, to ensure we are doing our part to make our community as safe as possible. Our process is to, first and foremost, educate and inform our community of the health order. If there are ongoing violations, we will provide verbal and written warnings, and as a last resort, when necessary, enforce the law. As the health officer makes additional amendments to the health order over time, we will continue to help inform and educate on those changes as much as possible. We ask our community to continue voluntary compliance with the order.
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Not according to some of the studies I've seen, either way it's pretty low and doesn't justify the strict lock downs we have seen. Yeah because it makes so much sense to decimate the mental health and livelihoods of younger, healthy adults for the old and sick.
I didn't think I would ever see people get to the point where they think the elderly and people at risk should just take one for the team
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They are just following state guidelines for the pandemic, why is that so bad? I would hardly call that "making decisions about how to manage a pandemic".
No, he's employed by the County he should respect the decisions of the county health officials, he doesn't have the expertise to decide which guidelines are appropriate, the fool is just grandstanding-it's amazing that people can't see that.
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:20 PM
 
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I didn't think I would ever see people get to the point where they think the elderly and people at risk should just take one for the team
That's not what I suggested but viruses like this affect those segments of the population more so normally anyways.
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:28 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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No, he's employed by the County he should respect the decisions of the county health officials, he doesn't have the expertise to decide which guidelines are appropriate, the fool is just grandstanding-it's amazing that people can't see that.
Yeah Sonoma County Sheriff's department, not the Health Department. He probably sees other counties with more cases/hospitalizations, etc.. opening up and is wondering why they aren't. He's not the only one that has done this either. What makes Sonoma County any more correct in their response than others? Officials make wrong decisions all the time, not sure why some of you are so obedient to whatever "officials" say and don't bother questioning it. It's disturbing. Just look at how much the CDC has flip flopped on several issues during this entire pandemic. It's like the thought never occurs to you that these officials might be wrong and overreacting.

Explain to me why Contra Costa County needs such a strict lockdown with only 11 people in the hospital with COVID. Because they said so?
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Old 05-30-2020, 09:07 PM
 
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Looks like it's going to be a county by county decision. San Mateo County is going for phase 3 while rumor has it that Santa Clara County might wait until much longer to even go to full stage 2 (right now they are in early stage two).
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/...-restrictions/
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Old 08-15-2020, 06:46 PM
 
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Blue collar class people can't afford to shelter in place.

White collar / wealthy people can afford to shelter in place.

It was predictable that increasingly wealthy areas would support shelting in-place in lock-step with the increase in local median income.

It was predictable that support for sheltering in place would take on the nasty overtones of elitist, anti-working class social signalling.

In that, California is a State whose population and governments have outed themselves as hypocritical when it comes to concern over their massive homelessness and social stratification problems.
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Old 08-17-2020, 01:38 AM
 
Location: California
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Even in the Bay Area we are done with SIP. I don't know anyone doing it now who wasn't already mostly living that way before COVID hit. Hermits still hermiting.
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