The Bay Area is about to lock down again (Concord: restaurant, vs)

[sav858]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

What do you mean there's no data? Lots of examples where it shows the risk is much higher with indoor activities: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...aurant/617151/

Here's a quote from the article: The odds of catching the coronavirus are about 20 times higher indoors than outdoors.

You realize OUTDOOR dining has been shut down right? That's what I'm referring to. Along with salons, barbershops, PLAYGROUNDS, etc...

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by sav858

You realize OUTDOOR dining has been shut down right? That's what I'm referring to. Along with salons, barbershops, etc...

Outdoor activities don't equate to zero risk and the ones you're referring to all require close contact with one another. In many of the local restaurants (not all), I've seen them not really abiding by the 6 foot rule and some of the tarps that were setup for outdoor dining don't allow for proper ventilation (e.g., its essentially mimicking indoor dining).

We can argue about the particular risk of closing one business over another, which I know you love to do. But, I think this misses the intention of the county/state. These closures are to reduce the likelihood of people going out, socializing and spreading from one another. It is a broad brush but desperate times call for desperate actions.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by TashaPosh

What you are saying makes no sense. It's any kind of gathering or where ppl are together & not social distancing. It's an infectious virus that doesn't know the difference if it's at a business or a private gathering. It's to protect ppl & our health care & save lives....ICU beds. edit: AND....nobody wants a pandemic & it is affecting everybody. It's not our governor punishing ppl...ha.

Except at businesses like restaurants people are distanced and outside. And barbershops, salons, etc..they are distanced with masks on.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by sav858

Except at businesses like restaurants people are distanced and outside. And barbershops, salons, etc..they are distanced with masks on.

Serious question. As you despise the politics here in California so much, why don't you relocate to another state? Why do you stay and just complain? Plenty of other people have left for politics more to their liking.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Outdoor activities don't equate to zero risk and the ones you're referring to all require close contact with one another. In many of the local restaurants (not all), I've seen them not really abiding by the 6 foot rule and some of the tarps that were setup for outdoor dining don't allow for proper ventilation (e.g., its essentially mimicking indoor dining).

We can argue about the particular risk of closing one business over another, which I know you love to do. But, I think this misses the intention of the county/state. These closures are to reduce the likelihood of people going out, socializing and spreading from one another. It is a broad brush but desperate times call for desperate actions.

They are very low risk and there is no data supporting their closures. Nearly every restaurant I've been to is spaced out fine and not that enclosed at all. Restaurants in WC and Concord have all done a good job as far as spacing out tables and providing cover, if they do at all, from my experience.

But that can't stop private gatherings which AGAIN the state has repeatedly said is driving the spread yet they are punishing businesses that are not a significant factor in it. That makes no sense. You're basically punishing business owners that have invested a lot of money to follow all of the rules. That's so messed up.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Serious question. As you despise the politics here in California so much, why don't you relocate to another state? Why do you stay and just complain? Plenty of other people have left for politics more to their liking.

Mainly my job and less so family. You hate diversity of opinions that much you just want people who disagree with you to leave? That's so pathetic.

I like the local politics of San Diego, much more balanced than here. Some of us actually like diversity.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by sav858

Mainly my job and less so family. You hate diversity of opinions that much you just want people who disagree with you to leave? That's so pathetic.

I like the local politics of San Diego, much more balanced than here. Some of us actually like diversity.

Well, SD has turned more democratic as of late and either way, you're still dealing with the state level politics that you despise so much.

I'm not opposed to all diverse opinions. If we want to discuss fiscal budgeting and how that should be allocated, I welcome these type of discussions. But, when the discussions denigrate to ignoring the health/safety of society in a pandemic, driving a xenophobic agenda or some other conspiracy theory that many Trump followers like to push, yeah, I don't have a lot of tolerance for that type of BS.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by sav858

They are very low risk and there is no data supporting their closures. Nearly every restaurant I've been to is spaced out fine and not that enclosed at all. Restaurants in WC and Concord have all done a good job as far as spacing out tables and providing cover, if they do at all, from my experience.

But that can't stop private gatherings which AGAIN the state has repeatedly said is driving the spread yet they are punishing businesses that are not a significant factor in it. That makes no sense. You're basically punishing business owners that have invested a lot of money to follow all of the rules. That's so messed up.

Just because you haven't personally seen restaurants with spacing/covering issues, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've personally seen this in my local community and other surrounding ones. Where do you have data that these local businesses aren't a significant contributor to COVID spread?

Also, I agree that private gatherings are also an issue. They are not allowed by state/county guidelines either. How are you suggesting these be policed?

[sav858]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Well, SD has turned more democratic as of late and either way, you're still dealing with the state level politics that you despise so much.

I'm not opposed to all diverse opinions. If we want to discuss fiscal budgeting and how that should be allocated, I welcome these type of discussions. But, when the discussions denigrate to ignoring the health/safety of society in a pandemic, driving a xenophobic agenda or some other conspiracy theory that many Trump followers like to push, yeah, I don't have a lot of tolerance for that type of BS.

I'm aware and that's fine, it still has a much better balance than here. It was actually a little too conservative when I first moved there. State politics are a bit easier to digest when you have more balanced local leaders and greater diversity compared to the ideological circle jerk here.

I've done none of those things yet here you are asking why I live here....

[sav858]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Just because you haven't personally seen restaurants with spacing/covering issues, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've personally seen this in my local community and other surrounding ones. Where do you have data that these local businesses aren't a significant contributor to COVID spread?

Also, I agree that private gatherings are also an issue. They are not allowed by state/county guidelines either. How are you suggesting these be policed?

I never suggested otherwise, just stating what I've seen and experienced. There are A LOT of restaurants in DT WC though. Think about that question for a minute. If there isn't data showing that they are a significant contributor of spread how would there be data showing they are not? Isn't that lack of data the proof in itself?

Large gatherings are already being broken up and people arrested. For smaller ones not sure there is much you can do aside from repeatedly putting out public messages out there on the dangers of them. That actually would probably be more effective that coming out with an official ban.