SF/Bay Area Crime Thread (Los Angeles, San Francisco: felons, shopping center, suburb)

[Woodshampoo]

Originally Posted by tikkasf

From what I have seen lately on the local news, it appears that the few that were caught from the recent incidents, are not getting lenient prosecution

Glad to see the San Francisco DA changing his tune.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

I see. So you think that courts of law are not influenced by public opinion … which opinions in current times are shaped to an extreme by - wait for it - social media? You think that “experts” are ignorant while rambling ranting raving anonymous internet warriors should better define our society and legal issues?

Noted.

Speaking of LOL.

No I don’t think courts are influenced by City-Data forums LOL. And certainly not for the minor distinction some of you keep clinging to since the end result of both types of crimes is the same. If anything “looting” is the lesser charge.

How an earth did you deduce I was saying professors are “ignorant” from that? LOL. Talk about a reach and like I said earlier, some of you read way too much into things hence your incorrect impressions. Still waiting for those posts btw . They have certain viewpoints that are not necessarily right or wrong that they also teach to many who are or end up being “anonymous internet warriors”. I don’t think either should “define” society or legal issues. Seems like you do, probably because of this unhealthy blind adherence to “experts”. That’s fine and certainly your prerogative but don’t expect others to do the same thing.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Woodshampoo

Doesn’t help when those who are caught prosecution is lenient.

How many flash mob robbers have been released due to "lenient prosecution". By the way this flash mob trend is occurring across the US and in other Countries so it must be your assumption that all prosecutors are lenient because if they weren't people would be trembling in fear and these events would never happen again, right?

By the way the prosecution of a criminal case where the defendant doesn't quickly plead guilty can take a year or two before it's decided, so much for your 'tough on crime' nonsense being a deterrent.

[Woodshampoo]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

How many flash mob robbers have been released due to "lenient prosecution". By the way this flash mob trend is occurring across the US and in other Countries so it must be your assumption that all prosecutors are lenient because if they weren't people would be trembling in fear and these events would never happen again, right?

By the way the prosecution of a criminal case where the defendant doesn't quickly plead guilty can take a year or two before it's decided, so much for your 'tough on crime' nonsense being a deterrent.

So you believe the San Francisco DA is a tough prosecutor? True, this looting is happening across the nation in cities where the DA’s tend to be lenient with low to no cash bails. It’s not a phenomenon why crime is rising along with this flash mob looting.

There will always be crime, but when prosecutors refuse to prosecute, crime tends to rise. It’s not complicated.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by sav858

No I don’t think courts are influenced by City-Data forums LOL. And certainly not for the minor distinction some of you keep clinging to since the end result of both types of crimes is the same. If anything “looting” is the lesser charge.

How an earth did you deduce I was saying professors are “ignorant” from that? LOL. Talk about a reach and like I said earlier, some of you read way too much into things hence your incorrect impressions. Still waiting for those posts btw . They have certain viewpoints that are not necessarily right or wrong that they also teach to many who are or end up being “anonymous internet warriors”. I don’t think either should “define” society or legal issues. Seems like you do, probably because of this unhealthy blind adherence to “experts”. That’s fine and certainly your prerogative but don’t expect others to do the same thing.

Speaking of “reach” and “reading too much into things” … where do you get that I have “an unhealthy blind adherence to experts”? I don’t often ascribe personal views to “experts’” opinions. I certainly do link experts’ positions in a variety of posts as examples of verifiable informed opinion to counter off-the-wall anonymous armchair bloviations. And I am certainly more inclined to consider their positions more highly credible than anonymous sources. Sure. Why wouldn’t I? Why wouldn’t any intelligent person want to consider expertise over anonymous bloviation? But I don’t typically argue experts’ positions. I just let readers consider the information sources. The fact you ridicule expertise speaks volumes about your arguments.

Are courts influenced by CityData forums? I didn’t suggest that speciously. I - correctly - identified that social media is THE #1 generator of public opinion in this internet age. To the extent that CityData is a social media it is thus a component among many of the process. While often difficult to tie a specific instance of opinion to a specific outcome in a court, it is undeniable that the aggregate effect of this kind of chatter perniciously infects all society.

How did I ‘deduce you were saying professors are ignorant’? Because you ridiculed the notion that the professors’ opinions should be regarded as expert, while also inferring that it’s silly to hold them in any special regard more than your average anonymous joe.

By the way, are you aware that City Data has almost 3 million members and 60 million posts in nearly 3 million threads … and is read by millions more non-members? And you laugh at the notion it might contribute to aggregate public opinion?

[moneymkt]

Originally Posted by ThinkingOutsideTheBox

Meanwhile, they made an arrest at the mall: they arrested a woman who was waiting in line to pay for her merchandise without wearing a mask for violating the mask mandate. She is being held without bail with pending charges of "attempted murder" because she might spread Covid.

Wonder how many years she will get for that

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Speaking of “reach” and “reading too much into things” … where do you get that I have “an unhealthy blind adherence to experts”? I don’t often ascribe personal views to “experts’” opinions. I certainly do link experts’ positions in a variety of posts as examples of verifiable informed opinion to counter off-the-wall anonymous armchair bloviations. And I am certainly more inclined to consider their positions more highly credible than anonymous sources. Sure. Why wouldn’t I? Why wouldn’t any intelligent person want to consider expertise over anonymous bloviation? But I don’t typically argue experts’ positions. I just let readers consider the information sources. The fact you ridicule expertise speaks volumes about your arguments.

Are courts influenced by CityData forums? I didn’t suggest that speciously. I - correctly - identified that social media is THE #1 generator of public opinion in this internet age. To the extent that CityData is a social media it is thus a component among many of the process. While often difficult to tie a specific instance of opinion to a specific outcome in a court, it is undeniable that the aggregate effect of this kind of chatter perniciously infects all society.

How did I ‘deduce you were saying professors are ignorant’? Because you ridiculed the notion that the professors’ opinions should be regarded as expert, while also inferring that it’s silly to hold them in any special regard more than your average anonymous joe.

By the way, are you aware that City Data has almost 3 million members and 60 million posts in nearly 3 million threads … and is read by millions more non-members? And you laugh at the notion it might contribute to aggregate public opinion?

You go around waving your little internet finger at people with some tired "but you're not an expert" spiel and those experts always tend to have a certain slant/viewpoint. A lot of these "internet armchair experts" you constantly whine about are also expressing views shared by other "experts". It's common among some of you that don't seem to have the ability or desire to critically think and discuss topics and try to hide behind certain "experts".

And I didn't ridicule professors at all. You seemed to think you had something with "look these professors are saying it too" without realizing that's where much of this wokeness comes from. I was actually ridiculing YOU clinging to their viewpoint LOL. I was just pointing out that many people that you come across and argue with on the internet have been taught the similar things by these types of professors, don't read too much into that.

It's not semantics the internet is arguing or getting upset over when it comes to public opinion on crime/courts like you and others are doing. It's the severity of charges and punishment that generally generates a public outcry.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

How many flash mob robbers have been released due to "lenient prosecution". By the way this flash mob trend is occurring across the US and in other Countries so it must be your assumption that all prosecutors are lenient because if they weren't people would be trembling in fear and these events would never happen again, right?

By the way the prosecution of a criminal case where the defendant doesn't quickly plead guilty can take a year or two before it's decided, so much for your 'tough on crime' nonsense being a deterrent.

So you don't think many of those looters don't have previous arrests/convictions?

[tikkasf]

Originally Posted by Woodshampoo

So you believe the San Francisco DA is a tough prosecutor? True, this looting is happening across the nation in cities where the DA’s tend to be lenient with low to no cash bails. It’s not a phenomenon why crime is rising along with this flash mob looting.

There will always be crime, but when prosecutors refuse to prosecute, crime tends to rise. It’s not complicated.

It will be up to the voters of SF to decide that and what they want to see in their DA. If the SF DA is recalled, then Mayor London Breed has the power choose someone to fill the position. I believe Breed was for Suzy Loftus for DA during the last election.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by sav858

So you don't think many of those looters don't have previous arrests/convictions?

I'm not sure why you are asking me that, I didn't make any statement/claims about the prior criminal history of anyone, mainly because I don't have any idea - and as far as I know, neither do you