05-12-2021, 07:43 PM
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It’s not like Giants “fans” are particularly loyal. Many are fence riders and “Bay Area sports fans”.
MLB stats (continue to) prove otherwise. Per Power Rankings re: best/worst fanbases in baseball, the Giants have consistently ranked in the top ten (currently 7th) as having more loyal fans, as a whole, than other teams. This is based in re: Nielson, attendance, 'hometown crowd reach', and so on. Giants' fans played a role in the Sacramento River Cats (change in) affiliation as well.
By comparison, the A's have consistently ranked near the bottom of the list (currently second-to-last).
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Except this isn't the first time around the block i.e. there have been multiple unsuccessful attempts over the years (originating about 2013/2014). In fact, they had previously planned to be out of the Coliseum for the '23 season.
05-13-2021, 10:15 AM
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MLB stats (continue to) prove otherwise. Per Power Rankings re: best/worst fanbases in baseball, the Giants have consistently ranked in the top ten (currently 7th) as having more loyal fans, as a whole, than other teams. This is based in re: Nielson, attendance, 'hometown crowd reach', and so on. Giants' fans played a role in the Sacramento River Cats (change in) affiliation as well.
Because of their ballpark and even then you can tell many people are there just for the "scene". But attendance does generally following their winning percentage. Before PacBell they were no better than the A's, actually slightly worse overall.
05-13-2021, 07:59 PM
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Because of their ballpark and even then you can tell many people are there just for the "scene".
Absolutely, enjoying the atmosphere i.e. 'scene' is part of drawing fans to the ballpark (as opposed to watching it on TV). The A's have a problem with both, as evidenced by their second-to-last fanbase loyalty ranking; a new ballpark may certainly help with the former - many remain skeptical about the latter. :-)
That said, one need not eat, drink, and breathe baseball to be considered a loyal Giants' fan i.e. we have the Warriors and Niners to enjoy as well.
05-13-2021, 08:23 PM
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Absolutely, enjoying the atmosphere i.e. 'scene' is part of drawing fans to the ballpark (as opposed to watching it on TV). The A's have a problem with both, as evidenced by their second-to-last fanbase loyalty ranking; a new ballpark may certainly help with the former - many remain skeptical about the latter. :-)
Yes and they aren't really there for baseball. So if you create that "scene" in Oakland they'll go there too because it's not really about the team/baseball. Thanks for proving my point lol.
05-13-2021, 08:34 PM
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Yes and they aren't really there for baseball. So if you create that "scene" in Oakland they'll go there too because it's not really about the team/baseball. Thanks for proving my point lol.
Too funny. You can't simultaneously determine Giants' fans are only in attendance for the ballpark; yet, conversely defend the A's fans for not showing up because of the same reason. By your logic then, would A's fans only be in attendance because of the (new) ballpark (which wouldn't make them loyal fans, lol).
That said, your point is (obviously) nonsense - as the MLB Power Rankings re: most loyal fanbases are relative to other factors in addition to attendance, as stated previously - including TV. The Giants are 7th; the A's are second-to-last.
05-13-2021, 08:42 PM
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Too funny. You can't simultaneously determine Giants' fans are only in attendance for the ballpark; yet, conversely defend the A's fans for not showing up because of the same reason. By your logic then, would A's fans only be in attendance because of the (new) ballpark (which wouldn't make them loyal fans, lol).
Of course a new ballpark would draw new fair weather fans, that was my whole point originally. Like I already said, when you compare apples to apples, the Giants drew just as bad as the A's did in their old park.
Well your "power ranking" obviously doesn't take into account what we are discussing, people being there just for the scene, so not sure why you keep clinging to it as if its the end all be all here.
05-13-2021, 08:50 PM
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Well your "power ranking" obviously doesn't take into account what we are discussing, people being there just for the scene, so not sure why you keep clinging to it as if its the end all be all here.
It absolutely does take into account what we're discussing, not only relative to the thread (the A's desperate need for a new ballpark) but addresses your comment (re: Giants' fans) head-on and proves it to be unfounded.
05-13-2021, 08:54 PM
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It absolutely does take into account what we're discussing, not only relative to the thread (the A's desperate need for a new ballpark) but addresses your comment (re: Giants' fans) head-on and proves it to be unfounded.
Not really, it just looks at attendance, not why they are in attendance. And even in that case it follows their record. If it's unfounded they why didn't they show up before PacBell?
05-13-2021, 09:01 PM
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Not really, it just looks at attendance, not why they are in attendance.
Again, to keep you (logically) on track, the methodology is based on several factors in addition to attendance including TV and 'hometown reach'. If you want to argue the results (the Giants have the 7th most loyal fan base in the League while the A's are second-to-last), you'll have to take it up with MLB. :-)
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05-13-2021, 09:12 PM
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Again, to keep you (logically) on track, the methodology is based on several factors in addition to attendance including TV and 'hometown reach'. If you want to argue the results (the Giants have the 7th most loyal fan base in the League while the A's are second-to-last), you'll have to take it up with MLB. :-)
Again if they are so loyal why didn't they show up before PacBell?
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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