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Old 06-02-2024, 03:54 PM
 
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Seriously. I try not to be so negative about public transit but wow BART is bad! It has delays everyday, people are late to their jobs all the time, workers lie or are aloof about what train goes where… there are nice people running it don’t get me wrong

The sound is annoying, the seats hurt so badly, I have seen fentanyl ODs on the train with cops and FRs helping them.

The East Bay BART stations are nice though. But SF and daly city stations are AWFUL.
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Old 06-02-2024, 05:28 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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When I ride BART to SF, I get off at Montgomery Station instead of Powell. Or depending on what transit I'm transferring to, I might get off at Embarcadero Station. Those two don't have the same issues as the Powell St. Station. I haven't encountered any scenarios taking that approach.
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Old 06-02-2024, 06:57 PM
 
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Seriously. I try not to be so negative about public transit but wow BART is bad! It has delays everyday, people are late to their jobs all the time, workers lie or are aloof about what train goes where… there are nice people running it don’t get me wrong

The sound is annoying, the seats hurt so badly, I have seen fentanyl ODs on the train with cops and FRs helping them.

The East Bay BART stations are nice though. But SF and daly city stations are AWFUL.
It's a reflection of the underlying philosophy that runs the Bay Area:

--BART is run by the labor unions. Under Bay Area ideology, unions can do no wrong, so no one stands up to them or calls them out on corruption / incompetence.

--Same thing with fentanyl addicts. Addicts are victims, therefore the police should enable them, not arrest them or make them go into rehab.

--Police are evil and therefore have less and less authority to enforce basic law and order.

This is what the people of the Bay Area vote for time and time again.
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Old 06-03-2024, 09:19 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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BART went downhill after the Oscar Grant shooting in 2009. From that point on, the BART board and BART police took a timid stance to enforcing the law. The situation was not unlike the situation following the BLM riots. City governments, chiefs of police, and prosecutors refused to prosecute criminals.

The criminals are getting everything they ever wanted. Accusations of racism is their shield.
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Old 06-03-2024, 09:21 AM
 
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It's a reflection of the underlying philosophy that runs the Bay Area:

--BART is run by the labor unions. Under Bay Area ideology, unions can do no wrong, so no one stands up to them or calls them out on corruption / incompetence.

--Same thing with fentanyl addicts. Addicts are victims, therefore the police should enable them, not arrest them or make them go into rehab.

--Police are evil and therefore have less and less authority to enforce basic law and order.

This is what the people of the Bay Area vote for time and time again.
To be fair, other subway systems in the US are not great either. If you go to the East Coast, you'll find that the train systems are more extensive, but also tend to be dirty, run down and in some cases, unsafe. I did find the Washington Metro to be better though.

However, if you've ever traveled overseas to Europe or Asia, you'll know that the systems here cannot compare. It would take a complete overhaul of public mindset, taxpayer funding, pride in cleanliness and commitment to taking public transit to make this in any way comparable.
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Old 06-03-2024, 09:38 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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To be fair, other subway systems in the US are not great either. If you go to the East Coast, you'll find that the train systems are more extensive, but also tend to be dirty, run down and in some cases, unsafe. I did find the Washington Metro to be better though.

However, if you've ever traveled overseas to Europe or Asia, you'll know that the systems here cannot compare. It would take a complete overhaul of public mindset, taxpayer funding, pride in cleanliness and commitment to taking public transit to make this in any way comparable.
Zeroed right in on the nut there: the [entitlement] American public’s mindset. ‘We’re the best … so we don’t need to be *public* anything.’ Phbbbt
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Old 06-03-2024, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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Most of these problems are rooted in BART's ill-fated design decisions from 1972 to create a bespoke system rather than use standardized technology: https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/03/...k-to-haunt-it/

The high cost of this hubris continues to this day. This includes seemingly unrelated things like poorly maintained stations, because there's less funding for such things when almost every part is custom manufactured.

Do they keep throwing good money after bad to incrementally keep the current design limping along, or bite the bullet and pay a huge amount to do a very disruptive change over to standard infrastructure? There isn't really a good answer at this point.
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Old 06-03-2024, 10:08 AM
 
Location: East Bay, San Francisco Bay Area
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BART has no competition, is a government and union run monopoly. No incentives at all to improve. The worst period from what I’ve seen was right after the pandemic.

Last edited by ccm123; 06-03-2024 at 10:19 AM..
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Old 06-03-2024, 11:00 AM
 
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BART went downhill after the Oscar Grant shooting in 2009. From that point on, the BART board and BART police took a timid stance to enforcing the law. The situation was not unlike the situation following the BLM riots. City governments, chiefs of police, and prosecutors refused to prosecute criminals.

The criminals are getting everything they ever wanted. Accusations of racism is their shield.
What BLM riots? Do you mean the Floyd protests? The violence in several cities was instigated by right wing groups; the FBI and Minneapolis police investigators have documented that.
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Old 06-03-2024, 11:22 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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What BLM riots? Do you mean the Floyd protests? The violence in several cities was instigated by right wing groups; the FBI and Minneapolis police investigators have documented that.
Ruth!
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