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Old 12-26-2008, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Earth
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The most compelling reason I am considering SF for my relocation is mass transit. I've not yet visited.

How functional is the transit system? Do commuters use it regularly, or does it mostly cater to tourists? Does a train run to the airport? Are their many neighborhoods with access or only the very expensive neighborhoods? What about park-and-rides, is a car still necessary?

I'd be living with my wife (no kids) and would prefer a central location in town until we figure out which direction to venture out where a house is relatively affordable.
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:27 PM
 
Location: southern california
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not good. only useful during non peak hours.
dangerous at night. they switch the system in rush hour so nothing goes out everything stays downtown so you are stuck downtown.
streets got mean last 40 years, same as france, public transport will not work as long as streets are dangerous. which is safer at night---- a locked ford escort or a subway seat.
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Old 12-26-2008, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Alaska & Florida
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The most compelling reason I am considering SF for my relocation is mass transit. I've not yet visited.

How functional is the transit system? Do commuters use it regularly, or does it mostly cater to tourists? Does a train run to the airport? Are their many neighborhoods with access or only the very expensive neighborhoods? What about park-and-rides, is a car still necessary?

I'd be living with my wife (no kids) and would prefer a central location in town until we figure out which direction to venture out where a house is relatively affordable.
I went to college in San Francisco and the mass transit is the second best in the United States. New York City is the only city with a better transit system, but San Francisco is still pretty damn good. If you live in the city, you can go anywhere with public transportation. Don't worry about it being dangerous, the above post must be from someone who isn't used to big cities. I went to USF, the student body is mostly preppy, rich, spoiled women. About 70% women, who wear skimpy outfits and use the public transportation every single weekend late at night to go clubbing. If they can do it, you can too, even at 2 am. It's a great city, enjoy!
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Old 12-26-2008, 04:11 PM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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San Francisco MUNI is a good service and comprehensive, but they run way too many buses and they make way too many stops. On top of that, they don't hire enough drivers.. they seem to prefer to pay their existing drivers mind-boggling amounts of overtime. By comparison, Santa Clara VTA may be inconvenient at times, but they are a heck of a lot more efficient with their resources. If a line runs mostly empty buses, it will be cut or eliminated.
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Old 12-26-2008, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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not good. only useful during non peak hours.
dangerous at night. they switch the system in rush hour so nothing goes out everything stays downtown so you are stuck downtown.
streets got mean last 40 years, same as france, public transport will not work as long as streets are dangerous. which is safer at night---- a locked ford escort or a subway seat.
Are you talking about LA?
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Old 12-26-2008, 10:28 PM
 
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Compared to most of the major US cities it is good. Compared to the global major cities, it's pathetic. I'd say the system ranks below NYC and ties with Boston. NYC just can't compare with its comprehensive network and frequency of trains. Boston has a bit more comprehensive system than SF, but it's an old uncomfortabl system. Plus the T only runs till a little past midnight, while SF has the 24 hr night owl bus service.

The light-rails are very slow when on surface streets, but are quite fast underground. If you want to take advantage of the best aspects of the light-rail, live near an underground line (from Castro to Embarcadero along or near Market st) or live where the surface line distance is minimal. This would include neighborhoods such as Cole Valley, West Portal, and Duboce Triangle. Taking BART (East Bay high-speed commuter rail) within the city is free if you have a monthly fast pass. So if you lived in the Mission area or Glenn Park, you could take the BART to the financial district very quickly.

A large cross-section of the population take mass transit here. From homeless to wealther lawyers. The tourist mainly ride the cable cars and trolleys.

The BART does go to SFO. It goes kinda near Okland Airport, but you have to take a shuttle to the Colleseum BART station.

Thre is another Commuter rail system that mostly serves the Peninsula area and mostly San Mateo County call Cal Train.
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Old 12-27-2008, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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The most compelling reason I am considering SF for my relocation is mass transit. I've not yet visited.

How functional is the transit system? Do commuters use it regularly, or does it mostly cater to tourists? Does a train run to the airport? Are their many neighborhoods with access or only the very expensive neighborhoods? What about park-and-rides, is a car still necessary?
Mass transit is usually packed especially during the usual commute hours and is not only used by tourists. BART goes to SFO airport and the station is inside the international terminal BART - Station List. Caltrain is the commuter train between San Francisco and San Jose caltrain.com - General Info: System Map. I think both systems are safe and reliable. Both San Francisco and San Jose have light rail streetcar systems and the service is usually good. And of course, there are bus sytems throughout the Bay Area. There is also some ferry boat service across SF Bay.
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:17 PM
 
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The most compelling reason I am considering SF for my relocation is mass transit. I've not yet visited.

How functional is the transit system? Do commuters use it regularly, or does it mostly cater to tourists? Does a train run to the airport? Are their many neighborhoods with access or only the very expensive neighborhoods? What about park-and-rides, is a car still necessary?

I'd be living with my wife (no kids) and would prefer a central location in town until we figure out which direction to venture out where a house is relatively affordable.
In SF, most mass transit lines converge on Market Street which is near the financial district. On Market Street, you can catch, Bart, Muni, street cars and on the right locations, even cable cars. Its also not the far from the Cal Train station.

The closer you live and or work to Market Street, the better your perception of mass transit is going to be. If you get out to some place in the boonies like Park Merced, or if you leave the city of SF, you will be more frustrated with the mass transit system.

In SF, most neighborhoods are very expensive. Generally the poor and working class either live in subsidized housing in SF or live in the East Bay. Bayview and the tenderloin are probably the cheapest neighborhoods in SF, but they still might be more expensive than you would expect and might not actually be very safe.
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